Better to be left back than left behind, amirite?
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Out of curiosity, why is this bad? Or even significant? It works out the same, doesn’t it?
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Men:
NCAA Tournament: West Virginia/North Florida | Sunday, Nov. 24 | 5 p.m.
Women:
NCAA Tournament: Wisconsin (@ Irvine, Calif.) | Friday, Nov. 22 | 5 p.m.
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Most of the issues come at the end of the half and game. In an International game… the referee has a soft ending, meaning he adds time for injuries & time wasting & also if a team is in their attacking third will allow the play to continue.
In the NCAA model… time is time. Sure the clock is stopped for goals, cards & injuries… but let’s say a player shoots and the ball is still in flight and the ball enters the goal after the horn… it does not count. In the International game it would as the official time is with the center referee and he would extend play to finish off the last attack.
What about a foul called giving offensive team a free kick right outside the box with 10 seconds left? Won’t happen in NCAA… but an International referee would allow that free kick before ending the game.
I had an incident last month where a team was down a goal and while the player was about ready to kick the corner kick… one of the opposing players fell awkwardly while my watch was buzzing to indicate time was up. NCAA that move from the player whether intentional or not would’ve ended the game as there is a delay in when the game clock would stop.
In my game, I allowed treatment, player was removed from the field and I allowed the final corner kick to be taken and ended the game once the ball went out of bounds.
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That makes sense, thank you. So a NCAA-style countdown clock, but with a “soft” ending (clock hits zero but the game doesn’t end until the ref calls it, doing so according to international rules), would be okay?
Letting the last attack play out is good, but I also like knowing how much time is left.
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In HS field hockey, the clock keeps ticking and only stops if a goal is scored. However, any time there’s a defensive penalty in front of the goal (like the penalty area in soccer), the offensive team gets the soccer equivalent of a corner kick. The fun part is if time runs out in a period (or the game) while a corner is happening. The clock gets turned off and the teams keep playing until the offense either scores or loses possession.
Its not uncommon for a corner to result in a defensive penalty (if the ball hits someone’s foot or shin, its a penalty on the person who gets hit, and since a corner usually results in the offense driving the ball into a bunch of clustered defenders, the defenders’ feet get hit a lot), leading to another corner, still off the clock. I’ve watched teams get 4 or 5 corners after the clock runs out. Which seems weird in abstract, but its basically the same thinking as not letting a football game end on a defensive penalty.
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This is how HS clock works… clock counts down but stops at two minutes and then the official time is with the referee.
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Women fall in penalty kicks to Wisconsin…
Men advance to the Sweet Sixteen and have a game at home this Saturday vs. UMass
NCAA Tournament: UMass | TBA | TBA/ESPN+
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Game starts at 5pm in Charlottesville on Saturday…
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#11 ranked men crash out against unranked UMass 1 - 0 on an own goal in the sweet 16. Season over.
Not that anyone is paying too much attention to our soccer squads at this moment, but just want to say I am sad about the slide of the men’s program (a nice underdog run isn’t what UVA soccer should be doing - we have seven championships for goodness sake) and the inability of the women’s program to take the next step. It is very frustrating for a school with the soccer history that we have.
I think part of it is facilities. Have read elsewhere that our soccer facilities are very antiquated and in desperate need of a cash infusion. It seems a little weird that no donor has stepped up for those programs given our history, but is what it is. After we sort out our rev sports I hope they get some love.
But also I’m just kind of done with the men’s coaching staff. I know you generally don’t let go of coaches who’ve won national championships, but I’m increasingly starting to feel like it’s time to move on. Even our last successful postseason runs were done playing a style that was both ugly and unlikely to generate long-term consistent success. That said, we should probably wait until we’re in a position to infuse the programs with new money before looking for new staff. Makes more sense to do it all at once.
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Almost like some of these sports’ coaches are like tenured professors and UVa doesnt care to look to make that change at the right time
I am close to all the soccer players from my time and none close to or excited about the program any more and they arent wrong
George was there asst in those years
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Yeah, we’ve been playing mediocre soccer for years and years now. I have tried to watch periodically and it’s just so underwhelming. I know the college game as a whole is not at a super high level, but yeesh. This shouldn’t be where UVA men’s soccer is at.
The women have at least fielded some pretty damn fun teams over the last few years. They just can’t quite get over the hump (and FSU). I think if we got them well resourced and fixed up facilities and such, there’s still promise there.
Anyway, I get it’s not anywhere toward the top of the priority list at this exact moment, but if we get a new AD in the next year or two, I hope resuscitating soccer is on their to-do list right after saving football and basketball and the future of UVA athletics as a whole. So you know, like a week 2 type task.
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The women’s inability to win the big one has been aggravating for me. On the one hand, they’ve been really good for a long time. The team has produced a zillion pros and from 2005-2022 they made the Sweet 16 or better in 17 of 18 NCAA tournaments.
But then they didn’t make the NCAAs at all last year, and the last time that had happened was1993. They were really good for a really long time, but they only won the ACC twice over the stretch and only made the NCAA finals once and they lost (to FSU, naturally). So its a little frustrating they didn’t get more out of that run, especially now that there’s a chance they’ve begun to slide.
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Glenovatch is a good coach… UVa is just in need of a fresh infusion of ideas… so that means we need a new coach.
It’s like when New England let Bill Belichick go.
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The first half of his tenure saw high level results, and there’s been individual moments since then. But it looks pretty clearly like we are in decline and have been for a while. Not that our results are outright bad, but given our history and where people like me feel we should be, I just don’t think the last decade has been good enough.
In the last 15 seasons he has one ACC tournament championship and one regular season championship - that’s it. Since that last 2014 championship a decade ago, we did have one run to the championship game, but every other season we’ve failed to win more than a single game in the tournament (“third round” sounds real nice but given the tournament set up it just means we won a single game against some small conference foe who won their first game). We just aren’t national contenders right now.
I realize that may sound spoiled and maybe this is how UCLA fans felt when they couldn’t replicate their era of dominance forever. But I do believe we should always be a national contender caliber program or shooting for it. Maybe it’s not George’s fault - we probably need new facilities and a refresh - but I haven’t seen much out of him and his teams recently to feel like he’s the guy to turn it back around and get us back to the highest level. But I also am only partially tuned in, so I’m sure there’s others out there with more informed opinions than mine.
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Do you mean replace Klockner? The Olympic Sports Complex is being built right now and I have to imagine that will be one of the best in the country.
I’m certainly no soccer expert, I just like to watch casually, but I thought our last national runner up team was quite good and a ton of fun. It’s just seemed like every time we develop a good player, they turn pro, so every year is just another shuffling of the deck and we’ve struggled with that. This year’s team started slow, but I believe was top 10 in the RPI by the end of the year. I certainly can’t argue with the feelings of stagnation around Gelnovatch though.
The women’s team has been wrecked by injuries the last two seasons, which has been frustrating. Before that, it seems like we’ve lacked the superstar talent of say an FSU. We’ll control the whole game and then one of their stars will just make a great individual play to beat us.
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This is where it’d be helpful for somebody who actually knows things to chime in, haha. But my impression is that Klockner has started to show its age a little, especially compared to some of our other news renovated and built playing spaces. Seems like it’s probably on the list of things that could be upgraded soon (it’ll never be fancy, I know that). But what I don’t know is about the other facilities the team uses, like team offices, training spaces, locker rooms, etc. I have heard in online chatter that they’re not great, but that’s just me parroting others. So take my words with a grain of salt.
Relatedly, does anybody know if the soccer teams get any space in the new Olympic complex? My impression was no, but I don’t actually know that.
And re the caliber of our team, I guess if I had to put it in basketball terms, it feels like we’ve fallen from a team that dominated our conference and was regularly making it to the Elite 8 or higher to a team that competes but rarely wins our conference and is routinely making it to the first round or round of 32. Maybe once a decade a run gets us further, but the overall level of the program has fallen.
Again, that’s not an awful place to be. I just think UVA soccer should be better than that. There are many schools who’d probably kill for those results and hire Gelnovatch in literally a second if we parted ways, but at least here it feels like we’ve stagnated a wrung below where we should be on the totem pole.
https://virginiasportsmp.com/renovated-mccue-center-and-olympic-sports-center/index.html
Yeah, both soccer teams will be in there and there are plenty of naming rights available if you have some money to spare! Just 50 grand for the laundry room!
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