I’m glad to see this thread has reached the Beekman-Clark equilibrium
I think the WR was Kevin Coffey. It might have been Dingle.
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Fun fact. I was not on the team because I suck at basketball but a bunch of my friends got Jalen Brunson’s dad to be on their intramural team when he was at UVA for a short stint as director of basketball operations. He got kicked out of a game during the “regular season” but they ended up winning the championship.
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Rick was a great player and big time competitor. No surprise there
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Kihei had 39 TOs in 38 games playing 26.8 minutes per game. One can argue that he didn’t have to do much on offense considering the guys he was on the court with, I’m not sure his freshman year should be the year you reference for his turnover problems.
Also, a lot easier to have a low turnover rate when you shoot the ball a lot.
For reference…
Top 4 in Shot%
- Franklin 28.9%
- Gardner 27.5%
T3. Milicic 23.7%
T3. McCorkle 23.7%
Top 4 in lowest TO Rate
- Milicic 10.9%
- Franklin 11.4%
- Stattmann 13.7%
- Murray 14.0%
Bottom 4 in Shot%
- Shedrick 13.1%
- Caffaro 13.3%
- Beekman 17.2%
T4. Clark 17.3%
T4. Stattmann 17.3%
Bottom 4 (highest) TO Rate
- Clark 21.5%
- McCorkle 19.4%
- Shedrick 19.2%
- Caffaro 18.9%
Point being there is correlation there. Obviously there are outliers (Reece good, Carson bad) but it is pretty tried and true throughout.
The 2018-19 example, anyone care to guess who the bottom 2 in shot % were? Clark and Salt, also the top 2 in TO rate. And it wasn’t close. Lark was 11.5 and Salt was 11.3. Key was the next closest at 17. Then Mamadi at 19.8. Everyone else was 22.5 or above, twice as high as Salt and Clark.
Again, just trying to point out correlation. Obviously, and you can look at it in a more specific way too, if you didn’t turn it over, you would shoot more, or if you didn’t shoot it right when it touched your hands, you’d turn it over more.
In the end I think it matters more to look at TO rate based on how you’re used. Kihei’s is high, regardless of how he’s used. I agree. But comparing his TO rate to Igor’s doesn’t make sense, when Igor is a straight catch and shoot player. This little study I just did has actually made me more impressed with what Reece has done over the last handful of games too.
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Coffey was definitely from Ohio and last I heard he was coaching girls HS basketball in Richmond, so basketball background is certainly plausible. Dingle could for sure do standing backflips.
I think you must’ve been in school around the same time as me and haney.
Watching Duke-FSU, who is Kihei going to guard on either of those teams? Clear he would guard Roach on Duke when he’s in the game but Roach has been pushed to the bench. So much height on both of those teams. And if Keels is kind of running the point for Duke, he can bully ball Kihei and probably even Reece! That dude is built like a strong safety.
Keels may have an ACL injury
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianMcLawhorn/status/1483664415547396099
Duke fans now complaining saying their season is in peril with only a 7 man rotation….. one handed joe Harris says hello
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6 top 30 recruits plus Keels plus 2 5th year senior transfers? That’s what they’re complaining about?
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I’m not crying for them, but I don’t think that team works (as a natty contender) without Keels. I don’t think Wendell Moore can run a team (see last play of OT) and Roach is approaching a liability. Seems odd for a frosh, but Keels kind of settles everything.
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I agree, he’s a steady hand for them who also has the ability to get buckets in a pinch. He’s the lowkey cog that makes them a title contender.
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I remember the Beta Hoop-a-thon. I played in the first one. (I’m old.) Still angry my mom threw out my t-shirt, not that it’d fit anymore. But still.
We started out 7-0, then played a team of employees who called themselves the ZoneBusters. We got crushed and won one more game the rest of the way. I’ve never been more tired.
The next year we added Dawn Bryant and Kirsten Anderson to our frontcourt. They acquitted themselves rather nicely. The rest of us did not.
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I played with my boys 4th year after NCAA tourney. think people were excited I was there until they realised I wouldnt pass the entire day. Ha.
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You know what’s fun? Looking at the 2019 tournament elite 8 and seeing how each of those teams took advantage of their momentum and built on it for recruiting/transfer success:
-Duke: Has kept on being Duke and is most talented team in ACC this year
-Michigan St: Up and down since, but currently talented and top of the very competitive BIG
-Gonzaga: One of the best teams in the country, killing recruiting, coming off title game appearance
-Texas Tech: Continued their success, even with a coaching change, and near the top of BIG12
-Purdue: Recruiting excellently and one of the best teams in the country (but did get upset by low seed in last tourney)
-Auburn: Recruiting like crazy and one of the best teams in the country
-Kentucky: Has had ups and downs, but currently near top of the SEC and uber talented
-Virginia (the team that won the championship!): Relying on non-elite transfers and low-ranked overseas gambles and has not been nationally competitive in three years
Isn’t that fun! Really fun to me.
And if you add in the other sweet 16 teams - UNC, LSU, VT, Michigan, Oregon, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Houston - pretty much every roster looks better than ours except maybe VT, Oregon, and Michigan (Houston was great this year before devastating injuries). Even then, Michigan and Oregon are probably more talented squads who’ve just had up and down results.
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This is a perfect representation of why I’m so disappointed right now.
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→ good recruit plays bad
→ gets benched for older player who has very low ceiling
→ good recruit can’t develop, transfers out
→ we get a commit from good recruit, tell ourselves that things will get better
→ cycle continues and we just end up with old bad players
This is the cycle I fear Tony is falling into. I realize I’m being very negative and pessimistic at the moment but how can you not be after what we just watched. We were completely outmatched against NC STATE. Morsell looking solid obviously didn’t help.
I fear, the way things are going, that we’ll lose Taine and Igor and they’ll get added to the list of Morsell and JAR, even Carson if you assume he bounces.
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Really no excuse for this roster makeup
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I get all of this but we do have as good of a recruiting class as we can get coming in next year, so not all hope is lost. It really boils down to Jabri and Casey not panning out I truly believe. If those guys are as good as others we pulled with similar rankings, we look so different right now.
We have a much thinner margin for error than those schools for a number of reasons and we had such a ridiculous run of recruiting successes and finding Diamonds in the rough. That luck run out and here we are. If the next class hits as we all hope, this will be a minor footnote in Tony’s incredible run.
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Oh yeah, to be clear, I’m also optimistic about the future (you’re talking to the guy who spends way too much time watching the crappy streams of the 2022 class’ high school games). I’m just really perplexed by what happened from 2017 to 2021. I know it’s been talked about to death and there’s a bunch of factors that played into, but it’s just frustrating. I know we got spoiled by success, but it just feels like we should be able to replicate what Villanova and others have done in becoming a ‘new blood’ and staying at that level. Hopefully we’re just like them and just have a down year every now and again, but I just worry when the roster feels this wonky. But it’ll all be fine, one way or another.
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