šŸ€ Virginia vs Hampton, Tuesday, 11 November 2025, 2100, ACCN

Come on, dare to dream big.

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Ironically, Thomas played well against Nova, seemed to play well v Vandy (top scorer, right?), but has been meh in the cupcake games, including some ā€œnot idealā€ decisions on defense.

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Thomas has had a rough start to the season, but he’s been very active and on offense you just get the feeling that he’s about to explode. He’s shooting 21% from deep in two games. Feels like he’s due for a couple games where he can’t miss.

But on defense? I hoped he’d turn into a good perimeter defender, but he hasn’t shown much yet.

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Yeah he’s been our worst perimeter defender so far this year for sure. I’m not worried at all about his outside shooting but did show some of that in the piece.

To your point, he was like the sole steady perimeter offensive presence across both scrimmages against better competition though.

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Worse than Hall on defense? Nah

IMO easily.

Thomas is a little more disruptive than Dallin but way less sound in general and has had a significant chunk of our mental mistakes.

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Yeah I think his skillset will be more valuable when the games get tighter. Right now, we’ve been able to bully everything inside when we’ve needed a bucket.

On the defensive side, he seems to have been out of sorts positionally. Some of it seems to be pressing to try and make an impact and then of course poor communication.

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Thomas has all the tools to be an elite defender, but he isn’t. Hall doesn’t have the tools – lateral quickness, etc. – to keep up with quick guards. So Hall is meeting my (low) expectations as a defender. Thomas is not.

So I’d say Thomas is worse than Hall, but it’s relative to expectations.

Separate topic, but if I were rolling out our best defensive lineup today, I’d probably have Chance, Elijah, Ugo, Grünloh, and… uhh… nobody. I can’t think of a fifth guy to add. Who is the best defender among Thomas, Hall, White, Lewis, and De Ridder?

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Lewis has been solid enough. Didn’t Cuts have some breakdown of this? I’ve only skimmed his NCC piece so far

W/o getting into the ā€œwho is worse on defenseā€ debate between Hall and Thomas, they each just have natural athleticism caps on what they can do. So they just need to tighten up the mental side. I really want Elijah to become a better shooter / more of a weapon on offense, and that will help, too.

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I didn’t go hard on Lewis but did talk about him a little in NCCU - there’s a very small three clip section.

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Thomas has better tools than he’s showed, but his tools max out at solid defender, IMO.

And Hall’s tools are worse. Hall doesn’t have good lateral quickness. But, at risk of trafficking in some cliches here, I don’t worry about Hall hurting us. Heady player, gym rat, etc. :joy:

And I hope you all knew not to take this part seriously:

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Hopefully we discontinue this nonsensical full court man defense with Hall … good teams will just blow past him and play 5 on 4 all game.. actually hate it no matter who is guarding the PG except EG…

Slows down the pace of the game and hurts our rhythm on offense… if we trap off it and actually try to turn them over then ok.

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This is interesting - I’d love them to trap off of it sometimes, but I disagree here.

It’s inviting the other team to make a mistake, which teams as good as Villanova did several times. It might only net you a couple of empty possessions a game - but that adds up. Rarely have we seen a player just beat Hall at a full sprint to the bucket - and running someone at a full sprint into either of our Centers seems like an invitation for them to take a bad shot.

We’ve already seen it create a decent number of turnovers at very little defensive cost so I’d want to see it actually burn us a lot to get away from it. I’d much sooner just put Jacari or Chance on the ball and play Hall off before stopping the system altogether.

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Side question…I didn’t watch the game, but were Gertrude’s two misses from three as ugly as they were from Rider and the Nova scrimmage?

He’s now 1-21 for his career (if you include his 0-3 in the Nova exhibition). His shot doesn’t look improved from Year 1 (granted he missed a lot of practice time…). Starting to wonder if that ever develops.

Edit: he also passed up a couple of wide open opportunities against Rider. Worried we get another Dunn situation.

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I agree. Thomas is not an elite athlete and the difference physically between he and Dallin is real but also not that significant.

I think he’s got more potential in the system when we get to the part where we’re taking calculated risks within the defense to try to be disruptive. Thomas should be better at that and it suits him well - that’s how he got so many steals at SF as primarily a deny defender who wasn’t great at sustaining defense when his man got the ball.

But Dallin will make fewer mistakes and has already started to make some intuitive rotations.

Both are acceptable in Odom’s system because it’s not the end of the world if they’re chasing an offensive player into the midrange jumper - so it’ll be a trade off analysis.

Grünloh and Onyenso just help cover for a lot.

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They weren’t bad misses but they weren’t in and outs. His shot form just seems inconsistent to my untrained eye

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Lewis is a bit of a question mark to me. He’s a tall shooting guard who’s hitting 50% of his threes and contributing 10 points per game – what’s not to like? But he doesn’t seem to contribute much else to the offense and things seem to flow smoother without him. And he’s meh on defense.

It’s interesting that he’s our starting shooting guard but he played something like the 8th-most minutes against NCC. He got 21 minutes against Rider and then only 14 against NCC. Seems like Odom is giving his minutes to White and Gertrude and Mallory. Is that just early experimentation or is Odom not happy with his contributions so far?

Still, it’s early and he’s hitting 50% of his threes. But there’s something about Lewis that leaves me wanting more.

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Going into the season, I had two hopes for Gertrude: first, that he’s healthy and just as explosive as before. That looks true. But second, that his shooting improved with all his time off. Sadly, that doesn’t look true.

His lack of shooting puts a hard cap on his playing time in Odom’s system. But he should get plenty of non-con minutes in the next few weeks. Hopefully some shots will drop. But there’s no way Odom can play a small-ish shooting guard who can’t shoot even though he’s a really solid perimeter defender.

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Exactly how I feel. Really just wish he was more assertive. For as good of a shooter as he is, doesn’t feel like someone who hunts his shot or puts a lot of effort into getting open. Maybe that changes as he gets more open but he’s a good enough shooter where I want him getting a lot more looks

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It’s so early for anything predictive, but I do wanna flag that descriptively, the defense is close to 0.5 PPP worse in Hall’s bench minutes vs his on-floor minutes. The lineups in Hall’s bench minutes have had a combo of 3P bad luck, worse rebounding, and a total lack of turnover generation; we will see if any of that continues or if that’s just small sample size theater.

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