2022-23 Lineup Conjecture fun

Pretty easy to put that on the floor next year - 3 rangy shooters with Reece:
Reece
Any 3 of: Isaac, Isaac, Murray, Milicic, Dunn
Shedrick

I am worried that you might be disappointed about how much time Isaac2 gets next year my man

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what does rim running mean? Hear it all the time but no clue. Like James Worthy?

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Think Javale McGee, Rudy Gobert, Rob Williams, Jay Huff … generally guys who are great lob dunkers but aren’t much of a threat as true post up guys.

Ahhh got it. Kadin? Thanks D

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Don’t worry about me … I have no illusions about what Tony will do after his lineup choices the last 4 years.
I simply like to opine of my opinions and takes based on production, watching tape, and figuring out how to best put rotations together that fit and provide proper spacing in the modern game.
If Ralph had shooters around him all 4 years we likely have 1 or 2 more titles - or at least Final 4’s.

Ha. Yea I get it

Yep - Sheds … still hoping he is more aggressive with his mid post faceup game next year. He can flat out shoot it from 10-18 feet.

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He could have the biggest jump of a returning player next year, I think. Amazed at him and Papi improvement this season. And I dont even watch the bigs!

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Huff had some great moments as a ā€œroll manā€ in the ball screen, but my hoops terminology is not good enough to know how that has a different implication than ā€œrim runnerā€.

https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1178692489395556352?s=20&t=ZLK94vuvwx0GKOBhp_G1vQ

Our offense this year has gotten pretty good (at least recently) at what we are doing, but (1) it’s mostly not what we’ve been doing the past three years, and (2) it may not be what we do next year.

There are many reasons I’ve never really answered Dave’s question here, but one of the main ones is that I’m not really sure what Reece’s and Kadin’s skills would look like in a ball screen based offense because we’ve run so little of it this year.

One of the reasons I keep wishing we’d see JUST ONE PG (doh, I’m yelling again) is that we can’t run ball screen well unless we have multiple shooters on the perimeter, but since we’ve never done that, we don’t know really have a good idea of the skillsets we have on this team because we spent all year trying to figure out how long a butter sculpture offense can avoid melting.

Did this make any sense? Gosh, I hope not.

(rereading this, and realizing it didn’t make much sense w/r/t focusing on Reece and Kadin. Let me explain/expand:

  • I think the open question wrt Kadin is how good would be be as a roll man? Any pick and pop ability? The answer to that question would dictate his centrality to the offense, and how much improvement we can reasonably expect.
  • I should’ve added Armaan. Will he be better off in a more ball screen offense? Tbh, I thought Guy was a bit of a funky fit, but he was a good enough shooter/scorer to still be useful, but how so? Wasn’t he just more a set shooter?
  • I think Igor ran a lot of ball screen stuff, so it should be easy enough for him. Taine seemed to run off a lot of screens in FIBA.
  • Incoming guys? Big question mark. I assume the thing I keep reading about Poca running UVa’s offense/defense is referring to sides, not ball screen or three-man motion.
  • And tbh, the biggest fly in the ointment is Gardner. I don’t think he’s a good roll man (I believe we tried it, and it wasn’t great). He can’t pick and pop (though his pick and pop ability gets as much run as Taine and Igor — this is more a guess back on lack of seeing it, rather than seeing it not work). So what offense works for him? [Redacted thought that would be predictable from a guy who, despite Jayden’s output here doesn’t really think he fits what we do here].

Like for example - I don’t think Gardner and Franklin and Reece belong in the same rotation especially if Sheds or Caffaro are out there too.
They just don’t fit.
Better rotations for me are:
Reece, McKneely, Milicic, Gardner, Caffaro
Reece, Franklin, Murray, Traudt, Sheds
McKneely, Franklin, Bond, Traudt, Sheds/Caffaro
Beekman, McKneely, Dunn, Bond, Traudt/Sheds - most Athletic - full court pressing and trapping lineup!!!

Might be able to get away with Reece, Gardner, Franklin with the other 2 being Traudt and any one of Milicic or Murray

No, Ralph had enough guys who could shoot. What he didn’t have was a guy like Mark West or Tim Kempton playing inside with him. That’s the difference.

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Could be… also if there were a 3 point line with him…

If McKneely doesn’t get time everyone remotely associated with UVA should be very down. It would mean another cycle without finding a halfway decent shooting guard. Which means another year before the program gets back to its previous level. The chart that’s been shared around here is pretty clear that guards who are any good play right away so if McKneely is going to do anything here he’ll probably play 15 minutes a night next year.

I was not refering to McKneely. But agree with what you said. I meant the second Isaac as 2 not squared. my bad

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I actually think the bigger Isaac should play just as much - the issue is that Gardner and Shed are roadblocks

I don’t view Gardner as a roadblock. The dude does great work in the mid-range against most teams and will likely improve as most all UVA players do. And you see his improvement on defense. Undersized, he basically dominated a dude who is likely a top 3 or 4 pick in the draft twice. No one else has done that.

Edit: and still think Traudt will get minutes. Just don’t think Bennett starts him.

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I don’t think Traudt plays the 5. I think he plays the 4 (Gardner) or we go big /Caffaro-Shedrick/Traudt/Gardner. Maybe some small ball 5, or he and Igor play 5/4. Tony really will have a lot of flexibility by the time the conference schedule starts.

I was meh on Gardner early in the season as being too short and one-dimensional, much more of a game suited to a mid major prigram. I think as the season progressed he mitigated his size and maximized the one-dimensional aspect of his game, consistently producing in the 12-15 foot midrange (51%) while still drawing fouls at a very high level (around 7 FTA per game). I don’t see how he’s not deserving of a starting spot - he’s likely 1st team all-ACC next year. I think he becomes even more effective when paired with 2 outside threats (any of the Isaacs, Igor and Taine). So, I’m fairly hyped about him returning. Armaan is the bigger question - if we get 30% Armaan, then McKneely needs to play a lot. If we get a 37% Armaan, well there’s a lot to like in his game as he has shown he can be elite inside 15 feet and I think his defense to my eye got better over the last 1/3 of the season.

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If Franklin hits 37%+ from 3 he makes an All ACC team next year. The other areas of his game are there.

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