šŸ’€ 2023-2024 UVA men's basketball post-mortem

I posted this a while back, but our high school recruiting run from 2010 to 2016 was truly impressive. We had plenty of misses (as all teams will), but our hit rate was phenomenal. Then we fell off a cliff. (Note: I use ā€˜NBA’ below when somebody has played meaningful minutes in the league over multiple seasons)

2010:

  • Joe Harris - STAR
  • Akil Mitchell - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • KT Harrell - Limited Contributor/Transfer
  • James Johnson - Transfer
  • Will Regan - Transfer
  • Billy Baron - Transfer

2011

  • Malcolm Brogdon - STAR
  • Darion Atkins - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Paul Jesperson - Limited Contributor/Transfer

2012

  • Justin Anderson - STAR
  • Mike Tobey - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Evan Nolte - Limited Contributor
  • Taylor Barnette - Transfer
  • Teven Jones - Transfer

2013

  • Devon Hall - STAR
  • London Perrantes - STAR

2014

  • Isaiah Wilkins - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Jack Salt - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • BJ Stith - Transfer
  • Marial Shayok - Limited contributor/Transfer

2015

  • Mamadi Diakite - STAR
  • Jarred Reuter - Transfer

2016

  • Ty Jerome - STAR
  • De’Andre Hunter - STAR
  • Kyle Guy - STAR
  • Jay Huff - STAR

2017

  • Marco Anthony - Transfer
  • Francesco Badocchi - Retired

2018

  • Kihei Clark - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Francisco Caffaro - Limited Contributor/Transfer
  • Kody Stattman - Limited Contributor

2019

  • Kadin Shedrick - Limited Contributor/Transfer
  • Casey Morsell - Limited Contributor/Transfer
  • Justin McKoy - Transfer

2020

  • Reece Beekman - STAR
  • Jabri Abdur-Rahim - Transfer
  • Caron McCorkle - Transfer

2021

  • Taine Murray - Limited Contributor
  • Igor Milicic - Transfer

2022

  • Isaac McKneely - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Ryan Dunn - MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR
  • Leon Bond - Limited Contributor
  • Isaac Traudt - Transfer

Updated my recruiting list through 2022. I said it in the VIP thread but will also say it here - this is the problem from which so many of the other problems flow - failing to identify, land, and develop our high school recruits.

Look at our hit rate through 2016 - it was fantastic. Since then, five recruiting classes have produced only four ACC-level contributors who stayed with UVA (Kihei, Reece, McKneely, and Dunn). And even among those guys that were major contributors, I’d argue only one was a star (Reece - but McKneely could get there), three had major jump shooting issues that limited our offense (Kihei, Reece, and Dunn) and one is probably gone after only two years (Dunn).

That’s a terrible stretch of high school recruiting, retention, and internal development. Obviously we’ll have to see how the highly ranked 2023 class fits in and there’s still room for a guy like McKneely to keep moving up, but yeesh.

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This x 1,000,000. I firmly believe this is the root of all of our problems. Essentially a 5 year period after the 2016 class that produced only Kihei and Reece as contributors - and they hampered each others’ impact.

But all of that said - the key question is why did recruiting drop off a cliff? Some possible reasons:

  • Loss of key assistants who excelled in identifying and recruiting talent (e.g. McKay, Sanchez, Getter)
  • Bag dropping pre-NIL
  • The National media narrative (and resulting negative recruiting) around our system/pace that developed when we started winning a lot
  • Nazis
  • Tony over-relying on the transfer market for mediocre short term help at the detriment of high school recruiting & development
  • COVID reducing scouting time
  • Tony getting away from the roster archetypes that got us here (e.g. Stretch 4s over athletic 4s, wasting time on 5 stars instead of the high potential 4 stars, etc.)
  • The transfer portal pushing players out that we could have used over multiple years

The path back to national contender status relies on understanding the why and taking the corrective actions. For example, if the problem is the assistants, then staff changes are needed. If the problem is the media narrative on our offense, then a system change is needed. If the problem is poor approaches to roster management (poor archetypes, prioritizing the wrong Plan As, Over-reliance on Transfers, etc.), then we just need a recruiting philosophy change.

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We found three diamonds in the rough pretty much back to back to back - Joe, Malc, Dre. Top 15 caliber guys who were 85-115 or so. That’s an all timer run of luck.

A bunch of other stuff, too, but I think that’s the biggest factor in the decline of our recruiting. The further we get away from it, I hope calling it ā€œluckā€ isn’t even that controversial.

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To me, it all stems from the 2019 recruiting class: whiffed on all three guys.
And the transfers of all three necessitated bringing in the band-aids that messed up the recruit-and-develop strategy that used to be in place.

The bummer is that the 2022 recruiting class was supposed to be the course correction, but that class never got to play together for ā€œreasonsā€.

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I don’t know that I agree. During that span, we also got London, Guy, Jerome, Anderson, Huff, Diakite, Tobey, Mitchell, etc. And that excludes the top drawer transfers we got and delivered on the court.

Yes, those were the 3 biggest star power players…but we haven’t gotten anything near that broader haul consistently since 2016. That’s not luck. That’s a clear inflection point in performance on the recruiting trail.

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I think we have gotten near** it, but it’s tough to prove because they’re not playing with superstars.

** maybe ā€œnearā€ doing a lot of work

With all these things, it’s multiple tiers:

Why not a top 10 program?
No Dre, Malc, or Joe

Why not a top 25 program?
No Justin, Ty, Kyle (others maybe)

Why can’t we get out of the first round even though we are still recruiting decently well and play well in the ACC?
How much time ya got…

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No disrespect to London, Dev, Tobey, etc, but those guys coulda been on our last 5 or so teams… they benefitted from playing with stars

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I’ll put it this way – having several years of top 25 teams will make it more likely you attract the mega-star(s) that makes you top 10. The longer we go not being close to that, the more ā€œunluckyā€ we will be in your terminology.

We’ve gotten SO far away from that because we let our total roster management go to hell over multiple cycles.

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Another way to look at it:

2016 class = UVa goes to ā€œall-inā€ mode, focuses on transfers to complement this group. Smaller HS classes follow, guys like Nigel Johnson, Braxton Key, and (maybe?) Sam Hauser are brought in to complement the Big Three.

2019 class = bridge class to the next ā€œall-inā€ class. Sadly, this bridge has more in common with the Bridge on the River Kwai or the Key Bridge than the Golden Gate Bridge.

2020-2021: Covid happens. Not an excuse, but you have to acknowledge it messed things up.

2022 class = UVa’s next ā€œall-inā€ class, but the time tables are messed up due 5th year eligibility and instant transfers. This class never plays together because Traudt bolts at the first chance, Dunn gets too good too quickly, and Bond is kind of stuck in positionless limbo.

Somewhere in there, you also have to factor in the Big Three leaving post-championship (right decision for them, not the best for program), Trey getting instant eligibility and also getting too good too quickly. And then factor in injuries/lack of development for Kody, Papi, and depending on if you’re feeling generous Badocchi and McCorkle.

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Don’t know what the primary causes are but to me this one is the most curious.

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Then that is a roster management error. Look at the pre-2016 years. We consistently got 2+ contributors each year, including several large classes in row that delivered 2+ contributors.

Thats why the excuses after the 2016 class never rung true to me. We had no problem recruiting talent in sequential years before 2016.

If it was a conscious decision to focus on flyers or specific role players, then it was the wrong decision.

I think there is something else that happened that led to the same outcome.

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I think having Sanchez back is huge. The recent articles talking about how other coaches/assistants respect Sanchez on the trail and the number of solid power 5 players poached from his Charlotte team reinforces the idea that he’s a strong talent identifier/recruiter.

And Ive heard from several people now that Sanchez has expressed his concerns regarding the talent of this roster so we will see. So far his only addition is Cofie, who did end up a Washington Gatorade player of the year (but tbd on college impact)

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A lot of offensive versatility is dependent on seasoned bigs who can make plays and set screens for all the movement and make passes. Dunn was too light and still young, Buchanan very raw and look flustered, and Groves/Minor were okay at best in those regards (Minor sometimes missed the open corner pass that I always see Maliq Brown make for Syracuse).

We need a pg with a respectable 3pt shot. And we need some semblance of defensive switchability or versatility at the 3/4 spots

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Yeah, that’s where I put blame on the ā€˜19 class of Shedrick, Morsell, and McCoy for not being that bridge to the next group. The roster management gets messed up from that point forward. Then when you add in instant transfers with fifth year eligibility, and the high school recruiting timeline hasn’t gotten back on track.

Also something to think about that’s brought the vibes down on the high school recruiting front is Tony going hard after Reed and Kon and losing those battles to Kentucky and Duke.

Oh, Mr. Funny Story also happened.

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We took a 5 man 2016 class on top of having Perrantes Hall Wilkins Shayok Thompson.

There was no room for anyone else. I think that’s a reasonable excuse for 2017.

2018 Jared Butler’s dad didn’t want him to come to UVA/some concerns he wouldn’t get medically cleared. And then other kids mentioning the rallies. Still can’t get over the fact we were recruiting a kid named David Duke during that time LOL. And also going in on Quinerly who was a bag chaser/wasted time.

2019-2023, we wasted a lot of time on 5 stars where we maybe failed to realize even though we won the natty we are still virginia and blue bloods are blue bloods. To be fair Keels Power and Kon weren’t 5 stars when we started recruiting them.

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I’ll flip this one on you. If London had been on our last 5 teams, those teams would’ve been much better. Such is the power of a PG who can shoot.

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We were a top 25 team all of the 2022-2023 season.

Yes. I think instead of impugning the recent recruiting, it’s more realistic to say we overachieved during the stretch you highlighted through the 2017 class.

Isn’t it clearly both? That 2011-2016 stretch was never going to be sustainable but we also haven’t hit at an acceptable rate since then. Especially when you focus on our 4 star guys. Those should become major contributors at a 50% rate. I got us at 3/11 based on Maine’s list

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The transfers complicate things: JAR, Morsell, McKoy, Igor, Shed. All became at least decent role players at the power 5 level or good contributors at a level or so below. Traudt still TBD. Of those six players, how many could’ve been at least decent, experienced rotation guys here? One arguably did.

Like I said above, these things are all multi layered, but Tony and crew got a little knocked sideways by the new rules. And imo were then knocked a bit more sideways by their initial reaction (Jayden, Armaan, BVP, and I’d put Dante into that bucket). But I know the last point is controversial.

One uncontroversial point (I think) is that we haven’t recruited or developed or retained or (hopefully) let play the types of guards we need.

Is iMac one of them? He’s not yet but I hope he gets there

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