šŸ€ 2024/25 Virginia Men's Hoops In-Season Thread

Sorry but none of this is even close to correct. Post less.

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I’ve been trying

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Saunders is a 3/4. Think staff wanted him to be a 4/5

I don’t know about that. He only shot 3s last year. If they watched him at SDSU and said, that’s our next 4/5…. Then Tony was lost.

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Mainly just undersized 4 I think. Either way I’m just sad we aren’t getting to see the answer to the biggest question we’ve always wondered… what would happen when TB had a player with actual dad strength?

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Brogdon had dad strength compared to other ACC guards, especially the one and dones. And Salt maybe.

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Malk looked good when I watched him the other night. Def better than any guard on our roster.

@DFresh11 pre game show tonight? I’ll be able to watch since I killed a deer the other evening!!

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How many points? @grillswith knows some about this

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The first time I ate venison was when @grillswith brought some back to the Hook after hunting all Thanksgiving weekend our second year. That stuff was good!

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I think I’ve figured out the main issue about the lack of aggression offensively.
These guys have drilled for hours on defense about what kind of shot is an ok shot to allow. So it’s in their muscle memory and burned in their brain what’s a good shot and what’s a bad shot defensively.
So on offense when they have have
an opportunity to take one of those shots they’ve been told is ok to allow defensively, they won’t take it because it’s a bad shot.
It creates so much passivity on offense and bogs down everything.
Just go back and watch this game again.
I want you to count how many passes are caught with the receiver not even looking at the basket or looking at his defender to challenge him. Now count the same for Manhattan players.
We are the easiest team prepare for in all of college basketball. Only man to man defense. Only pack line. Only walk it up and no threat in transition. Teams know they can rest the first 10-12 seconds of every single defensive possession.
Bonner even said it last night… they pressed with no risk because they knew the Hoos would not punish their press. Then the offense has 12 seconds to get a good shot.
This team defensively will only be as good as a good zone will take them and we all know the odds of that happening.

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Is there a single team in the top 50 defensively that runs majority zone? Or even a significant minority of the time? Asking genuinely, I’m having a hard time thinking of examples and I don’t know of any publicly-available data sites that track it.

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Oh and by the way I’ve seen people say Manhattan hit a bunch of contested threes.
If you honestly believe that then you don’t know basketball in 2024.
Dudes train these days to hit threes with whatever contest the D is doing. They get told stats like only less than 1% of threes get blocked so shoot like the D ain’t there.
Our out dated late close out - chopping your feet crap from 1985 - is so dumb… you have to run people off the line and make shooters do something uncomfortable… if you want an example just watch what teams do to McKneely.
Manhattan hit exactly 2 contested threes last night. Two.
And one was off an offensive rebound where any player will tell you there is zero stress or
Pressure because it’s a bonus possession.
The other was Blake’s close out on a guy who can’t dribble and he should have jumped at it instead of a passive hand up.

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Yea, that’s been pretty evident. We do not square up in triple threat hardly ever. We catch and mover laterally. The instant most Manhattan players caught the ball they squared up facing the basket. Like you said a lot of that is the drilled in offensive we have worked with for years. Cofie, Saunders and DD clearly ā€˜look’ different bc they have not had to above issues.

I think the ā€˜press’ issue is really simple. None of our guys hae any confidence to attack it.

Most of Manhattan’s 3s came of drive and kicks or off super slow rotation/recovery that left guys wide open

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Is there a single Power 5 team
In America right now that is less athletic than us?

Closest thing I’ve found is in this article:

2022-23, Cuse and Washington (Mike Hopkins the coach at the time) were the only high major teams who played majority zone.

Article has some interesting thoughts about what makes zone hard to play nowadays, and some positive quotes about matchup zones being a better solution.

My zone thoughts: if you’re getting lit up on 3s and offensive rebounds, I don’t think zone will really help you.

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Which is why I would like to see more AR and Sharma minutes.

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I was saying last night. Watching UConn Memphis game. Memphis kid was on fire and UConn had 3 different defenses to throw at them in like 5 minute stretch. 1-3-1 agressive. 2-3 invert to 3-2 on the fly and of course man.

Thats when they made their big comeback as well

Edit: Then Danny started Shaqtin a fool!

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You and I both.

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I wouldn’t necessarily advocate a zone for this team, but I would advocate trying something when we are struggling: try to increase tempo, throw in a zone, throw in a press, put in a random deep bencher and motherf**k one of your starters on the bench.

I know Tony never did this sort of thing because it wasn’t his nature or temperament, but the upside was that he’d keep grinding away and the team would get better enough that we’d at least chew through the heart of the ACC schedule easily…

This is kinda where Ron needs to decide what he wants. Does he want to rely on the institutional prestige of his former boss (which is declining like a half life)? Or does he want to show that he can change a trajectory of a team? I know he’s in bad spot. Which to me seems like a good time to say ā€œF*** it, let’s play some ball.ā€

Instead, it’s just … What? What is it, Ron?

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