šŸ€ 2024/25 Virginia Men's Hoops In-Season Thread

Not to mention the defensive side of the ball.

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I think easily top 30. We clean up the horrendous turnover leakage and improve our defense massively.

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One of the things that’s really upsetting me so far is we heard all offseason about how we were planning to up the tempo. Our coaches were telling recruits that changes were coming, we were gonna play wide open and up the pace of play, get out in transition a little more while also taking more shots early in the shot clock. Wasn’t gonna be breakneck but it would be something different to embrace and build off of in future seasons.

We’re currently sitting at 61.1 possessions per game, which is one whole possession faster than last year’s team and a half possession slower than our team two years ago. For as much valid handwringing as their was about our offense last season, we currently have a worse offensive rating on Kenpom than we finished with last year (104.5 compared to 105.1). I understand this team has a talent issue but there’s still no excuse for a power five team putting up that poor of a number, especially after we were promised change and improvements.

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I think they were probably increasing tempo against the practice squad effectively.

But it’s the same deal as last year: you have approximately one (1) guard who can get downhill. Even if you get out into transition a bit more, you aren’t going have quicker halfcourt possessions if the other team can effectively pressure you at each step. I fear we are a bit stuck. I do want players to take the first decent look, like Cofie for 3 a few times last night he passed up, but I really don’t think it’ll move the needle on our offensive efficiency this season.

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Have we ever finished our ā€˜buy’ games without once breaking 70pts……? One to go, or is American even a buy?

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There was no point in keeping up the elaborate ā€œwe are going to play fasterā€ Potemkin village ruse once Mallory decommitted.

My serious answer: I don’t know. How fast would we have played with Tony, Warley, and Dai Dai? I’d like to know that answer…

Though I don’t agree that lacking those guys is fully explanatory for why we are still going so slow, because it’s not as if going slow is playing into our strengths. Which are … gimme a second…

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Also regarding the talent/roster construction issue, Ron & the current staff aren’t exactly blameless. My understanding is they were the ones primarily identifying the guys they wanted to pursue and get Tony involved with. I get that Tony has final say, but it wasn’t like Tony hand picked every player on the roster and completely overruled the staff.

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We gave it to TJ Power

It’s not obvious to me that playing faster would be a net positive with our current personnel. The tradeoffs that I think of with playing faster are broadly about offense for defense, which I think could be a net positive. But within the offensive Four Factors, faster teams tend to shoot better (yay), draw more FTs (yay), and turn the ball over more (uh oh for our team). The main defensive tradeoff is rebounding-related (for us that’s starting to stabilize some).

Of course, pace might not be causing these things; if you already have those particular strengths and weaknesses in those particular components of offense and defense you might decide to play faster/end up playing faster naturally.

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Well thats good if you are right because we are never gonna try to play fast

It’s not obvious to anyone

What is obvious is that playing extremely slowly has given us a crappy offense. Or to state it in a way absent of quibble-tude: we are playing slow AND we have a crappy offense. Maybe those two things just showed up randomly having never met each other

That’s the context we are in. We are not working with a blank piece of paper

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Not until next year

Revamp the revamp

Nah, what’s giving us a crappy offense is way deeper than play fast / play slow. The last two years of playing slow are a symptom of that, not the cause. That’s why just playing faster isn’t a real solution, just like running continuity ball screen didn’t fix things.

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Playing slow is a symptom? I’ve been watching the Bennett offense since he got here and playing slow is a constant

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Yes, and we’ve had good offenses during that time. So, it’s not just playing fast or slow.

My point is this: everyone wants a simple explanation. Run new sets, play faster, etc. etc. But it’s clear that the issues the last few years have been more fundamental. My hypothesis is that the quirks of Bennett’s coaching - emphasis on minimizing mistakes and a high bar for trusting players were a terrible mix with the personnel we’ve had recently and the lack of retention. You don’t address any of those things (either on the coaching style side or roster and retention side) and it’s just window dressing if we run faster or run new offensive sets.

So yes, playing slow was an outgrowth of Bennett’s coaching philosophy. But the more basic aspects of the philosophy coupled with the reality of the portal and recruiting/retention issues is what’s ailing us now.

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When are the real questions gonna be asked. We talk transfer portal and admissions and it turns out Eli Bennett is matter of factly on our team as a transfer. His Charlotte credits magically get him into our great University?

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I gotta run But I’m making narrower point. Different things work for different teams and different players. And if you wanna figure out what works for a given team, you need to try some stuff. And the one thing we are never willing to change, is pace.

(But fwiw, I mostly agree with the stuff in your middle paragraph)

Just having Ames on the floor is worth 3 possessions a game.

Without Ames* (I’m using Campbell, SMU, Bethune Cookman), we’re averaging 59.0 possessions.

With him, we’re averaging 62.2.

*He played 18 total minutes cumulatively in those three games.

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In hindsight, we would’ve been a lot better off with Dell’Orso over Power. Very much hindsight because most of us preferred Power at the time, but Dell’Orso is a much better version of Taine and would’ve been far more suited for the 3, where Power has really struggled.

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