I mean, letâs also be a little more fair. We can appreciate the regular season success and be bummed at the post season failures. We followed winning a title with 0-3 in the tournament over the next five years, including multiple straight up embarrassing results. Literally any fanbase would be frustrated with that. Itâs not irrational or ungrateful to be bothered by that and voice it. But it should ideally be within reason and we shouldnât go sabotaging our own future success by being eyores on social media where the kids weâre recruiting are likely to see it.
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I would equate our hoops situation to that of Bob Stoops led Sooners after he won the natty there.
Bob use to talk about winning big 12 titles all the time and not mention much playing for the big prize. That talk got old and the fan base there was not sad to see him go. Donât think our hoops fan base is just like their football fans but there are some similarities.
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Not everybody, of course, but our fan base in general is both entitled and ignorant. Not a good combination. Plenty of examples here unfortunately.
That is a wild assertion to make when looking at the other major fanbases in college basketball.
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The fact thatâs itâs even more true for other fan bases doesnât make it not true for ours.
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For sure read this as him talking to Virginia h8ers.
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Iâve been around UVa athletics pretty much my whole life and many years ago worked in the athletics department. Iâm perfectly comfortable with my assessment.
In the last 5 years we have ranked outside the top 200 in offensive efficiency 2 times. Our average adjusted offensive efficiency rank is 121.6. Our median adjusted offensive efficiency rank is 85. The only rational reactions to that are frustration or apathy
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Just because youâre not a blind optimist doesnât mean youâre entitled and ignorant.
Think itâs entitled and ignorant to insinuate everything the staff does is great.
But thereâs a difference between constructive criticism on a message and VIP board and trashing the program on Twitter for recruits to see.
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Twitter and FB is what Iâm referring to. Some people just ridicule the program for kicks rather than assessing or constructively criticizing.
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Our fanbase is not ignorant. If you spend meaningful time on this forum and in the VIP threads and think folks donât understand basketball, that seems wild to me. Just because they donât agree with you doesnât meant theyâre ignorant.
And we are not more entitled than any other fanbase I can think of. Show me a fanbase that wouldnât react negatively to the last five years following a natty and to the nature of the high-profile losses weâve sustained. I value the regular season titles more than many and will happily celebrate them, but itâs not ridiculous that people donât love what our recent national reputation has become and the way weâve performed on the biggest stages.
But do agree with you that folks on Twitter and Facebook lair trashing us to trash us has no value. Are most of those folks actually part of the fanbase? I have no idea. But if they are, then yeah, what theyâre doing isnât constructive.
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And that doesnât mean weâd message recruits to not come here or hate the program!
Crazy, right!
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Gotcha, agreed 100%.
I think the discussion here is 99.9% constructive and intelligentâŚ. With the forgone conclusion that we all promote and support the program.
Totally understand on Twitter and FB itâs not. Thankfully no 18 year old is on FB anymore haha.
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Entitled and defensive is a fair assessment
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Portions of the fan base are absolutely ignorant, just as is the case with any other fan base. Itâs why I left all the FB groups and came here instead, along with ignoring Twitter for the most part.
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Segments of literally any large group of humans will be ignorant. Obviously. What is even the point of debating that?
But I donât think UVA fans are more ignorant than most. Or more entitled than most when it comes to basketball expectations.
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I think we might need to ground ourselves in where all the frustration is coming from.
Even the 2013 and 2022 NIT teams were more competitive (Florida and Texas A&M missing key players really âgiftedâ us that NCAA opportunity. Also shout-out Clemson for clemsonning)
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Iâm not touching the rest of this - ignorance, whatever. Who knows. SEC fans are psychotic and off the rails.
But I do think the bad national attention hit a nerve way harder for a lot of fans. People were super sensitive to that kind of ridicule, more than I think we are talking about or give credit to, and thatâs a big reason why reactions are more strong this off-season.
Like, if no one paid attention to our CSU game, and we still lost the way we did, I think folks would be upset, but not nearly as upset.
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I donât make any judgements about the fanbase as a whole from a few people on social media. It is what it is, just unfortunate.
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Many of you have become the media that we so rightly hated at the beginning of the Tony Bennett era who would incessantly speak about our pace.
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