Yeah that one surprised me too. I’ll have to look for a corroborating source.
I don’t follow baseball outside of the CWS but I came here because I was surprised to see the BOC news on twitter. Now that I’m here people want to cut lacrosse?? I’d rather cut football and join the Big East
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Related to this, I’m not sure if that $28 million more for scholarships is actually what needs to be funded. It’s not actual cash that goes out the door. As you point out, $75k is the sticker price that is charged to out-of-state students but not necessarily the marginal cost of providing the scholarship to each athlete. Even if you assume every athlete is displacing a tuition-paying student, a good chunk of those students wouldn’t be paying the full sticker price due to requirements for percentage of in-state students, financial aid, etc. I think $25k-30k is closer estimate of tuition revenue per student once you factor those things in (note: I’m not extremely high confidence in the precise number, kinda doing a combo of vibes-estimating/asking Claude to help out, but would feel confident it’s not more than 50% of out-of-state sticker price).
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Maybe hold out a little hope y’all.
Not sure where things end up, but was texted “door isn’t totally closed” just now.
Either way, doubt anything official comes out this weekend.
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There’s absolutely luck involved, but her short list of candidates revealed a bad process imo. Elliott, Poindexter, and a late feint in Gattis’ direction while spurning an actively interested Elko is truly insane behavior. It was hiring to prove a point. And the thrust of your argument here is that you can never criticize an AD for their hires which is kind of an insane take to me. It’s a huge part of their job!
Tony Elliott is failing in exactly the way you would have expected him to fail at the time-- dated offense that relies on players you can’t get here. That to me makes it very criticize-able. He was not a good hire at the time because the reason he was suddenly interested in taking jobs like ours or Duke’s was because Dabo was pushing him out because their offense was a mess. He didn’t suddenly decide he was ready or Virginia and Duke were better options than Tennessee and Auburn, he was told to find himself a landing spot. He was a hot candidate in prior cycles and had to end up with us because he had coached himself out of that, and we took the bait.
All of the reporting I’ve seen and heard about this is that Elko was very interested and we backburnered him hard. But she made a late inquiry into Josh Gattis-- another coach being shown the door at his old stop.
I’d also argue that all of the money being funneled to facilities (although I acknowledge Football badly needed it) while letting our fledgling NIL operation suffer was bad ADing. Facilities were the last war! Paying the players is the new one and now we’re about half a decade behind and its all about to change again.
I truly do believe most replacement level ADs could have gotten the money for the football ops center, and I believe all of them would have put a better foot forward early on NIL as well.
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Yeah, the academic side charging the athletic side full tuition has been a pet peeve of mine for a while. I mean, the scholarships are 75k (actually $78,842 OOS and $39,422 IS for 24-25) and third party costs like housing and food are true costs (and if it’s on grounds housing and dining hall meal plan, that’s not even a true cost), but tuition is a made up number. There’s an OOS and IS sticker price and then many students get financial aid (i.e. a discount) from the school. Why are you making athletics pay the highest price possible, then charging all the students an athletics fee that goes to support athletics? 24 mil for scholarships, 7.5 mil in athletics fees? All so the academic side can show more revenue on its P&L and justify spending more?
Just charge VAF less, eliminate the student athletics fee (which is included in the cost of the scholarship too, so that’s getting round tripped for no reason) and spend less on the academic side/increase tuition/increase some other fee/decrease financial aid.
All this self dealing just makes everything skewed and most times worse looking.
Also puts us at a huge disadvantage vis a vis less expensive schools with little obvious benefit.
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The thrust of my argument is not that an AD can never be criticized for their hires. It’s that significantly more value should be placed on their fundraising ability as well as how they manage the overall department/providing a comprehensive and competent vision for the future. Significantly less value should be placed on something that is inherently more luck based. Bc, as most know, any coaching hire (no matter how it looks on paper) can conceivably fail or suceed.
We can go back and forth on whether predicting Elliott’s lack of success (so far mind you) is really hindsight bias or not. But man, I completely disagree with “this is all he could get”. If you watch any of his pressers over the years, you know this was exactly the kind of gig he was waiting out for. We’ll see how the results go this season in terms of Ws but you’re also just flat out wrong about the scheme being dated. Maybe it was a little too ambitious for the personnel he could get at UVA, but what’s being run here is absolutely not “dated”
Carla better not let him leave. Give him some money from FB. Talk all weekend about “what will it take”. If not, burn the university down and call it TB University.
This afternoon has had more positive developments which is a small comfort to the image presented this morning. Pull on those heart (and purse) strings Hoos!
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Was on the phone with VAF this afternoon going over some details on the JPJ agreement and when we finished I said now go get BOC $5 million. He laughed and said they were working on it as we were speaking…
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I’m kinda mixed on how big of a disadvantage it is. It does make for more confusing perceptions from the outside (unless you are an accountant I suppose) but there shouldn’t be any material disadvantage since it doesn’t change anything about the actual marginal cost of the scholarship, right? I dunno though, if I think about this stuff for too long my brain hurts (as I am not an accountant).
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5MM??
That’s what it cost now… Is UVA interested in playing or not? They found the money for football. If that’s what guys are making then everybody will be making that in two or three years. Sounds expensive now I guarantee you it’ll sound cheap in five years and they’ll regret not figuring it out.
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Look he could have asked for more money years ago and likely got it. Consider that money saved. Pay it now or risk not being relevant
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Referring to $5M NIL? Didn’t think salary is the primary concern this go round
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The disadvantage comes from the fact that for every scholarship athlete we have, VAF has to raise 75k a year while for every scholarship athlete Mississippi State (or most other SEC schools) has enrolled, they have to raise only 45k.
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Don’t wanna rain on the slight amount of hope we still have but MSU’s on3 insider is saying it’s over and Oak signed a contract with them today around noon. Hopefully their sources are wrong but he seems confident.
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Correct most of it would be to enhance the program, NIL, travel budget, ass’t coaches, etc.
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Maybe we didn’t need 11 corner backs this offseason
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Alright the slight amount of hope I had left for the Carla era has ended.
Can’t have 3 good coaches walk out on you like this. Don’t care who is at fault, need a change. The PR is just too bad.
Once is chance, twice is coincidence, thrice is a pattern of making coaches not want to do their job in Charlottesville anymore.
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