'21 - '22 Outside ACC Basketball Chat

% don’t tell all of the story. Casey’s shot volume is about one-half Armaan’s (118 FGA to 215). And it splits about equally as well for 2 point attempts (64 to 110) and 3s (54 to 105). Interestingly, they have the same number of FTA (44), with Armaan hitting 36 to Casey’s 29. % shooting splits are very weird, with Casey making 21 for the 40%, but he’s a pretty miserable 22-64 from 2, while AF is hitting a very, very high percentage at 63-110 (really good for a guard). Biggest differential (aside from we wish Armaan was hitting at a 40% clip from 3 in which case we don’t have this convo), is that Armaan has handed out 33 assists to Casey’s 13, a much lower number than expected given the playing time differential. And that maybe sums up my issue with Casey when he was here - he was pretty much a black hole when he got the ball and went for difficult or long 2s, which is reflected in his shooting percentage. Dave’s probably right that Casey is more valuable to NCSt than Armaan has been for Virginia, but I firmly believe Armaan is much more valuable to Virginia than Casey would have been if he had stayed. Of course, we’ll never know.

EDIT - was typing and missed the above post, which is much more articulately expressed than mine.

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And Bart Torvik PRPG! and D-PRPG ratings have Casey at 1.6 and 1.9 while Armaan is at 2.4 and 3.1. So in that sense, Armaan is helping his team more than Casey is helping his. Lots of different numbers to look at to make things go one way or another. Either way, we have Armaan and not Casey and both seem to be in a good place for themselves.

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Said it before but Armaan is having the best offensive season of his career. Not just in volume either. 0.93 per possession that ends with him. Which isn’t bad for a guard.

He’s getting better too. Creeps up a tick in ACC play. And he’s shooting 34% from 3 this month. He’s gotten pretty good at using screens. Getting better looks.

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Finding his way around the court better now than early on, I think. Early in the season felt like he was a step away from where he needed to be alot on both ends. Definitely has gotten better at that

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I’m probably Casey’s biggest fan on here. Hope he kills it. But Franklin is far better. Really no comparison.

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Unfortunately, imo, the most relevant comparison is done. Armaan was bad in the noncon, and the noncon is what effectively killed our tourney hopes.

I’m always here for the pessimist takes. :slight_smile:

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Great discussion. Thanks to DavetheWave for putting up the strawman to start it!

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Happy to help!
and for what it’s worth I wonder if Casey mentally would have been able to turn the corner at UVA.
I simply wish the M’s would get more of Armaan’s and Clark’s minutes so that we could more effectively spread the court and have more real ACC level length for D and rebounding. Simply having Clark come off the bench and have Igor starting would accomplish most of that.
My fear is that next year Armaan may be asked again to play the 3 if McKneely starts at the 2. Won’t matter quite as much if Traudt at 6-10 plays the 4 with Sheds at the 5. Effectively that would be a solid 6-3 Isaac and a 6-10 Isaac replacing a 5-8 and a 6-5. Our rebounding would be better overnight.

Exactly the comparison is of Casey Morsell in OUR system (bad), and Armaan Franklin in our OUR system (good). Casey was poor in 2 years here, and Armaan is much better in his one year here so far.

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Casey isn’t a 40% 3 point shooter. He’s at 38 now and that will come down. He also has almost as many turnovers as assists. If you watch the two play and think they are equals then I don’t know what to say.

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You’re right except I would say that Armaan as a Starter is more valuable to us, than Casey as a *Non starter is. It’s due to us having less *offensive weapons than State apparently has with their guards who we played against last weekend.

Casey is shooting 39.6% on the season - excuse me for rounding. :slight_smile:
He’s also shooting 50% in ACC play - yes small sample on 9/18 shooting.

I see 38 per espn. Regardless, I’m just annoyed with morsell. We’ve been playing a point guard at the 2 for several years now because he was so freaking awful in his 2 years here.

sure - but was Tony ever going to bench Clark for Morsell?

KenPom has Casey at 21-54 from 3 but multiple other places have him at 21-53. That might the be where the dis relaunch is. Either way, he is playing much better this year than he did at UVA, so good on him. Change of scenery has done him well.

Lol why in the hell would he? Kihei is a much better player

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Is he? He’s averaging 7 a game on 37 percent shooting with nearly as many turnovers as assists. The bar is low given how bad he was here but those are pretty bad numbers for a college basketball player, especially given it’s a down year talent wise in the conference.

I’m just struggling to see how his performance this year justifies that he’s in a better system. He and others talk as if he’s having a shahid typeKevin Keats doesn’t have a system, it’s one on one AAU ball for 40 minutes which is why they aren’t sniffing the tournament even though they have 3 pretty solid players in seabron, Hellems, and smith. At least his teammates talk more trash! Casey couldn’t hit a shot so he wouldn’t have fit in any system the past 2 years.

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Lol I remember when people last year were like…

if Casey just hit 6 more threes, he’d be shooting 30% instead of 23% in ACC lay. And 30% is pretty close to 35%!

I’m a Casey fan in general. Great kid. ACC level player. Didn’t work out as a Hoo as much as he and us would have hoped.

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He is?
Clark is shooting 39.5% FG’s and 39% on threes, 4.2 assists, 2.0 turnovers
Offensive and defensive ratings: 105.4 and 105.7 = -0.3 and the team is a +5.3
Clark is a better distributor for sure than Casey. I would take Casey’s on ball defense vs. multiple positions and switchability. Neither one is great in off ball defense - at least what I saw of Casey last year.
Morsell’s rebound % is 9.3% and Clark’s 5.8%
One could argue who would be better with this year’s version of Reece too. As a lineup is a puzzle where the pieces have to fit together not individually.
Again - who knows if Casey could have turned the corner if he stayed - he obviously didn’t think so himself.

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@DavetheWave Just out of curiosity, are you trying to argue you think this year’s UVA squad would be better if we subbed in Morsell for Kihei or Morsell for Armaan?

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