A chance for UVA (GT game thread)

Does anyone know what rank GT on the hardest places to play at for college basketball?
Does that exist?

Just consulted with former Hoo Anthony Oliver whos son was at Clemson 2 years ago before transferring to ODU. He said not tough place to play anymore with lack of fan support.

WAS great/ tough place back in the day for sure.

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Statistically, KenPom ranks GT with the 173rd best home court advantage. That said, it’s relative to success on the road, so if you’re as good at home as on the road, your home court advantage is less on this metric. For reference, UVA and JPJ are ranked at 192, which I think we all would dispute.

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Good to know guys, thanks :slight_smile:
I have been hearing of KenPom, what is it?

I only recently got into the more detailed stuff of College Basketball

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I actually typed something up for the forum on kenpom, and fortunately a few people added to (and fact checked :laughing:) my analysis. Explaining KenPom Ratings and Rankings
Basically, it’s an in depth statistical resource for college basketball, founded by Ken Pomeroy.

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Pack line t shirt ready along with uva hoodie. Wife has her national title shirt ready

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Checked it out, makes sense. I like the way it works, although I checked it out and some of it requires a subscription which I can’t get, but very cool system for sure.

personally whats your opinion on KenPom? For me has become vastly over used source to “explain” everything

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What is your guys’ score prediction for the game.
Mine is 65-50. I think we find our offense somewhat this game

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I think is 52-40 Uva

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They’re very credible, but I think utilizing their stats without context is dangerous. Too many broad conclusions can be drawn, and without an already in depth understanding of the game, the stats themselves, and the teams, the advanced metrics can be misleading. For instance, there was a lot of hype that through the first 15 games of the season UVA had the highest rated defense ever recorded on KenPom. While that was great and all, all it took was a brief glance at the offensive ratings of their opponents to determine that that success was unsustainable against the tougher competition upcoming. KenPom doesn’t provide context to their numbers, which is understandable since their function is to record and report analytical statistics, but there’s much more to the game of basketball than what the numbers tell us.

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dont they adjust for opponents’ strengths/ weaknes?

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They do yes, and the method is fairly complicated. But it’s predicated on the expected performance of an opponent and can be skewed if a team that is normally a weaker or even run of the mill shooting team gets hot. As in, they don’t really account for outlier performances. In addition, when adjusting for opponent strength we can run into a sort of paradoxical cycle, as every team in college basketball has a primary, secondary, tertiary or further relationship with every other team to a point where it’s difficult to adjust off of nationwide averages. But yeah there still is value placed on to adjusting for sos, i just feel that so much more plays into a team’s defensively performance that is quite frankly, impossible to adjust for. That doesn’t mean KenPom’s sos adjustment isn’t valid, I’m just saying there’s more to adjust for than an opponents previous performances on any given night. Quite difficult to express what I’m getting at though :rofl:.

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According to Harry Truman:
“There are three kinds of lies; white lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
A presage perhaps of the misuse of b-ball data?

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Indeed… of course I will note that I as much as anyone utilize these stats, but try and provide some of that necessary context, and when appropriate, record my own numbers :sweat_smile:. Difficult to strike the balance!

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Hey, I’m an economist, you wouldn’t believe the tenuous data I’ve been known to use. :nerd_face:

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Macro?

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Environmental. You?

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Ah cool. no am in financial markets but focus is on macro economics which I have learned through the job

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