šŸ„‡ Athletics Department Strategery

The Santa Ono thing feels a lot like messing with UF to me…

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BoV logistics questions. How does the upcoming governor’s election affect the board composition? Does the new governor appoint all new board members right away or are there terms that extend further and so only certain seats could possibly change?

Terms extend through, she wouldn’t get a majority for a while but would start placing them fairly soon.

(Unless any more Youngkin nominees have video of them yelling at police officers!)

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Each board member is on a 4 year term and there’s 17 board members (edit: on staggered terms), so every governor replaces about 1/4 of the board each year. The board composition would switch to the new governor’s majority in their 3rd year in office.

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In other news my (hokie) mother sent me a Facebook (lol) post and comment thread about Carla this morning with the note to look at the comments. All of them are worse than I expected in terms of spelling and racial animus (that’s probably on me for expecting better), but I was able to remind her that I’d still rather have her than Whit Babcock. I’ve fallen to the side of Carla opposition, but hopefully I’m more reasonable about it than the majority of them. And she’s still ours, we can be mad at her, they can’t!

So thank LRA for a more reasonable venue to discuss these things, and God that we aren’t Hokies.

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Ryan stepped in it with his knee jerk dismissive defense of the former hospital CEO. Although I haven’t been at UVA in 15 years, I know plenty of people who still are and the anonymous letter was a lot more than ā€œthe usual disgruntled people upset about their pay.ā€ There were serious issues being raised, including patient safety issues. That being said, he did apologize after the investigation and I think he’s done an overall good job. It’s been a tough environment to navigate and a different person in that position could have really screwed things up (and still could).

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I really like Brad Franklin’s podcast and when LRA is dormant, it’s my favorite UVa podcast, but the discussion here of Carla’s blame w/r/t Oak leaving just seems very glib. They talk for over an hour and only mention rev share for like 10 seconds, in an offhand way. And then they only mention relative hierarchy of UVa sports once, when Ferber says that Oak should get more than Mox because he’s had more success. Which is (a) very shallow analysis, and (b) from my perspective, probably wrong or at least the wrong way to decide on who gets what from a limited pie.

I’m most sympathetic to the argument about reactive rather than proactive fundraising but I also think that area is kinda hard for the average fan (me, or in my case below average) to get a handle on the facts.

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Oh, one more thing. One or more of them suggested that Tony is essentially playing for both his job AND Carla’s job next year. I hadn’t thought of that, and thought it was an interesting if perhaps hot take.

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I haven’t listened, but yeah…would they argue Desorbo should be paid more than Elliott?

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I think I’ve seen this thought a couple places.

All these points would seem to signal that Ol’ Brad & Justin don’t have a great handle on the department’s financials. The Mox vs Oak point is just red meat for their angry listeners.

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I usually like them too, but I ignored this episode because I knew exactly what it would be

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I think that is probably true actually. If Tony falters or heaven forbid doesn’t make a bowl.. I’m not sure they’d let her make a second football hire. That is fairly common in big time athletics now, you get max two football firings, and her other coach hiring hasn’t been good enough to risk her making another.

Odom is a wildcard though. We care about basketball more than most of those schools. If Odom hits it out of the park year 1 I think she’d be fine, but if Elliott faceplants and Odom isn’t hot out of the gate, I do think they’d make a change. Relatively cheap to replace an AD in the face of Football money though.

Far more likely scenario imo is that Elliott wins 6 or 7 off a weak schedule (when frankly he should win 8 or 9 with the resources he’s been given and this schedule) and we toil in his mediocrity for god knows how much longer and she sticks around.

I do wonder if we’re not due for her taking another job at some point during her contract though. We know she looked around, I wouldn’t be shocked if she decides it’d be better to start fresh somewhere.

Well I would argue Elliott’s current number should be approximately what a Go5 coordinator gets paid, so I might be in line with that lol

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Listening to it now. I think they are hammering on the rights broader points – specifically, the department seems directionless, everything is reactive and 3 steps behind, and the OAK situation seems like a microcosm of that. They acknowledge there may be more intention going on in the background, but no one knows what the strategy is and that just makes leadership look worse when bad things happen.

To your point though, they touch on some isolated points that feel like cheap shots and undermine their broader point, like implying that CTB had to do his own fundraising and further implying that was the case broadly for all coaches. Fundraising is seemingly Carla’s strength, and implying she’s not delivering there delegitimizes their argument.

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Agree on some of that, but for me the relative hierarchy is likely a big part of the issue here and I suspect Carla won’t be doing a podcast that says ā€œyeah, we decided to focus on women’s hoops over baseball so enjoy that one Thai and Indian place and all the mediocre sports bars, according to Trip Advisor, in Starkville, broā€**

Which isn’t to absolve Carla. Her choices may be fine in a vacuum but if the sports she favors don’t get better, then she’s cooked.

** in other words, I suspect this is the intentionality going on in the background.

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No, Ph.D.s are a more recent invention of the 17th century and the modern Ph.D. didn’t emerge until the 19th century.

The OG doctors were of divinity, medicine, and law. The Germans said that a doctorate should advance knowledge and create new research and so they created the Doctorate of Philosophy.

I can’t believe this came up in a basket forum. We are such nerds. :laughing:

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When in doubt, blame the Germans

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I’m still pissed about what they did to Pearl Harbor

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I have worked for multiple universities and worked with many faculty, deans, and provosts. There is a commonly known asshole rule regarding Ph.D.s.

If someone with a Ph.D. makes a point of introducing themselves or referring to themselves as ā€œDr. So and Soā€, they are probably an asshole.

It’s fine if someone else calls them Dr. because that’s respectful, but they should correct that person and say ā€œJust call me So and Soā€. The worst are people who refer to their Ph.D. in their voice mail messages.

I consider medical doctors 100% exempt from this rule because a) I want free advice and b) if I’m having a heart attack, I want to be very aware of any nearby doctors.

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And if they looked at the financials as @XHoo pointed out and thought about House more, they’d realize a few things.

  1. WBB is gaining no scholarships from House. They were at 15 before and have 15 roster spots after. Baseball had 10 scholarships before and 34 roster spots after. To fully fund baseball is adding 24 scholarships at 75k each, so 1.2 mil. Is WBB getting 5% of rev share while baseball shares 5% with all other sports fair? Given this context, yes.

  2. Baseball is already more supported than WBB. Oak and staff were paid 2.1 mil in 23-24, Mox and staff 1.6 mil. Total baseball expenses were 6.1 mil, 5.4 mil for WBB.

  3. Baseball raised 1.3 mil in donations and WBB 1.0 mil, but that’s before Ohanian’s gift. His money is going to WBB and he should expect that the WBB budget is increased by his donation, not kept stable because prior funding was diverted to other sports.

  4. If you prioritize football, men’s basketball and baseball in your athletic spending, it’s kinda hard to claim you care about Title IX to the extent that still matters. Legally it might not, but for a school with a majority female student population, the perception might be important.

  5. the financials are easy to find, so those guys probably didn’t look, didn’t think to look, didn’t know where to look, didn’t know what to look for or don’t have the knowledge to read and understand a P&L.

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