Iāve got a bachelor of arts, so how bout you let the grownups handle this one
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This conversation is my first time hearing/reading about it! I graduated in ā16 and I never noticed anyone saying anything other than professor
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The post I was replying to was anything but collegial before the poster edited it well after the fact. I quoted just a small snippet prior to my sarcastic reply.
Yeah, me also. Funny story, soon after I had gotten my PhD, my Mother got a call from someone trying to track me down for some work stuff. He asked if she could put him in touch with Dr. Lambiotte. She said, āWho?ā Finally figured it out. Probably the only guy whoever used the Dr. salutation with me.
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I get holding her accountable for Elliot, but how on earth did she āfailā w/r/t basketball?
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That was the one time during our entire back-and-forth where I was out of line and acted juvenile and immature. And guess what, I promptly deleted that part of the post bc I realized it was petty and immature.
YOU are the one who has been making this entirely personal, calling me a āfanboyā, ālow achieverā, that my posts are nonsensical and ludicrous, etc. Go back and read thru our back-and-forth. Iāll wait. I always stray away from anything personal and try to keep it purely on the argument/discussion at hand.
Disagreements are part of what make a board fun. Realize that and chill out. Take a lesson from my deleted part of the post and start doing the same to some of your stuff as well.
I called all my professors āMisterā, never gave it a second thought, I guess thatās what we all did?
But only now is it hitting meā¦ were ALL my professors male? I think they might have been.
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Bruh, thatās some revisionist history. Either way, off to ignore you go, at least until 3025. Mea culpa, LRA.
Pretty sure the only person who called her Dr in this thread is the one who brought it up
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Thereās some discussion about this upthread, but I think the general consensus is that Carla is blameless w/r/t Tony.
And fwiw I think the Odom hire went super smoothly, and in my view we got the right guy.
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I was most harsh on Carla w/r/t basketball above, and I suggested she was at most ~20% at fault (clearly not scientific).
Tony left because he thought he couldnāt win anymore at uva. Thatās mostly on Tony.
Would a more proactive AD have pushed changes to the basketball back office that positioned Tony to be more successful and thus kept his drive going? Probably not. But itās possible.
I donāt hold Bennettās retirement against her in isolation. But itās clear she has been late in evolving the broader athletic department to the new world order of things. And she is a great fundraiser but tends to show that in reactive rather than proactive/strategic situations.
And along the way sheās lost the best football coach, basketball coach, and baseball coach uva has seen in the last quarter century.
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We seemed to pretty easily just drop like 15 mil on a bunch of random guys who weād never heard of so I think we were primed to excel in the current basketball landscape but Tony refused to use the money
This is essentially my point. Carla can raise money but hasnt shown an ability to manage the deployment of capital or development of the org to manage that capital.
Not sure Tony would have accepted a proactive gm, analytics/scouting org, etc. but he certainly didnāt have one.
Sanchez remarked on the lack of talent when he joined back up and he/other assistants took over the roles that more proactive programs built gms/scouting/analytics departments around.
Damning the football program with the faintest of praise.
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Wait so itās Carlaās fault Tony didnāt want these things? Can you imagine if this cut the other way? If CTB left after Carla meddled like that
We donāt know what conversations did or didnāt happen between carla and Tony. Assuming otherwise is stupid.
I donāt know if Carla could have modernized Tony in roster management. Maybe. Maybe not. What we do know is that the greatest coach in program history decided he wasnāt good enough to win at uva under her watch.
Like I said - I blame her least for Bennett retiring among the 3 major coaching departures. But a pattern across the department doesnāt give her the benefit of the doubt. She isnt absolved of that loss even if she doesnāt bear it entirely.
I think there was a little more subtlety to Bennettās position on NIL than just not wanting to spend money or whatever. He just didnāt want that to be the main reason a player chose to play for him, the same way a lot of coaches approach it. Theyāre willing to pay whatever gets established as market value but if that becomes the main issue, theyāre out.
What weāve done this year is extreme, make no mistake, even in the current environment. I think Odom has done a really great job putting the team together, itās all very well thought out. And even overpaying like they have, thereās still a recruiting aspect to it thatās somewhat impressive. But letās hope it never needs to be done again.
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What are we talking about here? College sports is now big business.
Iāve been an executive at large businesses ($1B+) over the last 20 years. Do business leaders who are good fundraisers/investor managers get to keep their jobs if the results of the business tank? Absolutely not.
Carla is a good fundraiser. No debating that. But sheās responsible for the departmentās results. And that department is in a materially worse shape than what she inherited:
- Football has gone from the Orange Bowl to a failed coach that has to be retained so we can show our NIL commitment before we try to hire a new one.
- Basketball has gone from a national title to losing a HOF coach, a sub .500 record, and an outlook that currently rests on a new coach in his first P5 year that needs to outspend all but maybe 5-6 programs to build a fringe top 25 roster.
- Baseball went from a National Championship to losing a HOF coach and a complete reset.
All of this while conference realignment (and potentially the survival of big time sports at the University) will be decided in the next 5 years.
Why do we keep trying to rationalize a leader who has put the Universityās athletics at a point we may not be able to return from? Because sheās likeable and has been able to fundraise?
Jesus, I wish I was evaluated by just that criteria in the boardroom.
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Again people who bring up CTB when evaluating Carla immediately discredit themselves. Your agenda is obvious and itās nothing more than an agenda.
Good lord give me strength with these numbskulls who canāt comprehend basic context
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My favorite part is your last line where you essentially acknowledge that Carla has been able to fundraise which is arguably the most important thing she needs to accomplish lmao
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