šŸ’° Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) Discussion

There’s been chatter in the VIP thread and elsewhere on the internet I guess, that prices have gone up.

  • Have they? There’s so little price transparency in the market that I’m not sure how anyone would know with any degree of confidence. Feels like folks are basing this on anecdata and Evan ā€œI’m making the data do too much workā€ Miya. (And the front office suite seemed kinda limited in what info gets shared)
  • To the extent prices have gone up, my guess is there’s some upward pressure at the top of the market but there’s probably a lot more upward pressure from more teams in that 30-60 area of teams getting their rev share numbers up to where they can be.
  • Which really goes to the real evergreen question around here — ā€œWhy are other teams allowed to cheat but we are not?ā€. What this post presupposes is, Eli Cash style, what if they’re not?

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:warning: TRIGGER WARNING FOR YOU OVERSENSITIVE TODDLERS WHO THROW YOUR BINKY WHEN THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION OF DUKE :warning:

Now just adults? Good:

In case it wasn’t clear (and I hadn’t focused on it) that Amazon deal includes extensive NIL opportunities for the Duke players. Hoo-ray

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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/2051424763541594514?s=46

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I mean even if the cap is real it would be irrelevant it’s a minority of funds for most high major places.

I feel like I was the last cap / CSC believer, but if media entities can pay players directly, then there really is no point to the cap.

The cap would really only apply to arena ticket revenues.

If this Amazon thing is legit, then why wouldn’t conferences just say to ESPN/ Fox, etc ā€œpay players directlyā€ . Maybe there are details to work out, but I suspect they can be worked out…

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I don’t know if this the right thread, and I’m too lazy to go back and look, but I have a question.

If Duke players are enrolling at Duke, and then taking Community College Classes, how is this not a thing? I get that Jay Billas doesn’t want it out there, but damn, if it’s true it should be a BIG media story in the sports media.

In today’s day and age, there has to be a young Nick Shirley on the sports beat that can expose this. I feel like a 2nd year with a wealthy Dad and some resources can crack the code!

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I remember this story from the ā€˜90s, I think. That Dook players were taking classes at the community college and transferring them to Dook. I think it’s been exposed, and ESPN and the other powers looked at it and shrugged because they were making so much cash off marketing Dook as an Ivy that plays basketball.

So it isn’t a thing because the media doesn’t care - it doesn’t fit the narrative.

It’s not community college, it’s NC Central.. but yeah my understanding is that all their athletes are pretty heavily funneled into the classes they can take there.

Think it’s one of those things that they’re not really hiding, so it’s not really a scandal.

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And it’s available to any Duke student, so especially not a scandal, e.g.

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You’ve got most of the SEC athletes ā€œtaking classesā€ online. Joe Burrow made jokes about never seeing other LSU students lol.

We’re through the looking glass on this shit

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If I were a young college student and working in sports, I’d be all over this. It’s a scandal that hasn’t been uncovered yet. If I were looking to break into sports media, I would be all over this story. It’s basically the Minnesota fraud aka ā€œLearing Center.

As far as I can’t tell, our players go to UVA. If Duke players take classes elsewhere, I would be very attentive if I was looking to break into the media.

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Taking classes online is different. Athletes travel a lot to play games so they have to take classes online, or at least partially. If they are taking classes at a community college, and playing for a different university. That’s a problem. I feel like 60 Minutes needs to get involved in this right now.

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I mean players era was already doing that, taking the TNT money and paying it out as NIL. I wouldn’t be surprised if NIL gets cut into the next round of conference tv deals

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Players era felt a little scammy tho. This feels a little more legit

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Guarantee you NCCU parties way better than at Duke. Cant blame the playas. Hate the game if you want to

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Interesting.

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2 posts were split to a new topic: :world_map: Conference Realignment - The Reawakening

https://x.com/drantbradley/status/2056133963425464665

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Without more details this could be, and likely is, about several other things:

  • decreased international student visas reducing enrollment and average tuition revenues
  • $100k cap on borrowing for grad school
  • mass reduction in research funding given out to universities because of wokeness or whatever

(not to mention my personal pet one that is some of these expensive northern colleges are in big trouble because SEC honors colleges are now offering the same prestige and exit opportunities but with a markedly better student experience and weather)

I just don’t think the athletics stuff has much to do with academic program consolidation.

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The big, existentially threatening factor is the demographic cliff, which is affecting the Northeast and Midwest the most.

Each school in that post has slightly different story:

  • Clemson went on a poorly-timed building spree.
  • Most of the 93 programs cut by Syracuse had zero students enrolled, so this is housekeeping that’s perhaps anticipating the demographic cliff.
  • UNC is a research funding/state funding story.
  • Duke is a research funding story/using it as a useful excuse to restructure.
  • Indiana’s situation is the product of state policy aimed at cutting programs that don’t have very many graduates and tying programs’ existences to their grads’ financial outcomes.
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