šŸ’° Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) Discussion

Darren Heitner is an interesting twitter follow on this stuff. He spills some tea on what teams are asking for in rev share deals.

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The one I’m thinking of:
https://x.com/DarrenHeitner/status/1912481786883453303

(And I’m not certain Heitner is entirely a good actor here, but who amongst us is…)

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With the lawyers buzzing in here currently maybe someone can help me answer this— couldn’t the conferences impose some measure of order on this? I know the SEC already has rules about football guys transferring to other SEC schools during the spring portal window.

I always assumed the justification there was no one is forcing these schools to be members of the SEC, so they are free to impose whatever rules they want.

Could they also impose a ā€œcan’t play for another SEC team until after your sophomore yearā€ rule or something with a little more heft behind it than the NCAA? If they got together with the other power conferences for an ā€œallianceā€ with that kind of rule would that then be back under antitrust/collusion scrutiny? Or could they argue ā€œno one’s making you be in a power conferenceā€?

I guess these are all ultimately questions for judges assigned the eventual lawsuits, but it feels like a direction this could go in.

That’s a slightly more complicated question …

I think the conferences clearly could legally do something like incent guys to stay at schools longer by paying out incentive payments to guys who suit up for the same team multiple years in a row. They control how their NCAA payout gets divvied up. But the numbers have gotten so high this year, that it might just be a drop in the bucket… Plus you’d have the big football schools arguing against any payment that isn’t ā€œgive more to us!ā€

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Only lawyers would think any of it is fun.

Carry on counselor

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https://x.com/_jbuford/status/1913015659086373365?s=46&t=y0pD4dAiibd6gpo_tXLkaQ

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LOL :laughing: I had to give more than a like to this. And, we got a big-ass statue in New York as well.

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The newest Jeff White podcast is with the new rowing coach. He asked if NIL affected rowing and the coach said the new roster caps would allow them to offer scholarships for the entire roster. As for NIL, that’s something that is available, but it has to be actual legal NIL. There would be no under the table payments.

This gets to something I’ve been wondering about. It has been kind of fun with football and bball being the bag droppers for once, but where are we going to be after the settlement and revenue sharing kicks in? UVA is almost certainly going to follow the letter of the law, so are we just going to get blown out of the water by schools who don’t give a crap about ā€œactual NILā€. And after this insane market, how is the toothpaste ever getting put back in the tube?

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I’ve wondered the same.

Rowing for NIL is almost an oxymoron.

Is all insane

Good friend of mines son is big time Lax recruit. Commited to UVa. So the dad asked me about NIL etc. fast forward kid decommits UVa and commits to Duke lax.

My friend, the dad, was ducking my. Hahaha when I called him out we laughed and I told him he can never rock his already purchased UVa gear

His son will be a great one next year for Duke Lax anyway

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Disappointed Fresh you were supposed to drop that bag.

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We’ve definitely reached some sort of tipping point when for the first time in my life I find myself thinking: It’s bizarre that we make these guys take classes.

ā€œWe’ll pay you $2 million to come play for us. But to earn the $2 mill you have to take liberal arts classes that have nothing to do with your job. We’re putting that additional burden on you, solely to help prop up our pretense that you’re not an employee.ā€

Just a matter of time before someone sues the NCAA on the basis that ā€œI’m too dumb to pass these classes and the silly requirement that I do so is preventing me from earning my NIL.ā€

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The NCAA wouldn’t ever go there (or couldn’t, from a mission standpoint).

Whatever governing body Greg Sankey has in mind, on the other hand…

Yeah, he could try to stress test some ideas for sure…

Mandate the dumb ones major in finance and minor in economics. :rofl:

Anything more than $1M in NIL and a senior thesis on personal finance is required for graduation from whatever University they are at for their 4th year.

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Yeah the NCAA could never actually do this (it would/will have to be a breakaway thing). It’s really just an observation on my part, that as the rest of the ā€œamateur student-athleteā€ illusion is stripped away, this core load-bearing aspect of the system ends up exposed in a way it wasn’t before.

I mean, there’s always been players who go to school solely to play ball and who just put up with the classes requirement (OADs being maybe the most egregious example), but the more this becomes a paid professional league, the sillier that looks.

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I will say, at least for me, if they get rid of the taking classes requirement I’m actually out. I know how silly it kind of seems, but at least it means they are technically part of the university even if for short periods of time.

If there’s no classes, then why are universities hosting professional sports teams on their campuses? What’s the logical connection and why do I give a shit about the team? It’s kind of a joke for some right now, but that connection is still there. When it’s done, this thing makes literally zero sense.

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I’m asking that question already, as things are now. I think I’m just a little further along the path of disillusionment. If the best we can do is say these players are ā€œtechnicallyā€ part of the university, then…

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Same reason Tom DeLuca used to hypnotize kids. Why the Fugees and Big Head Todd performed here in my day.

It’s an entertainment option and presumably meant to increase your feelings of happiness about the school, as an alum, and meant to appeal to future students.

As compared to Big State, whose affiliated professional team is totally lame and enjoys recreational sex with farm animals.

(See? It’s not that far off, tbh…)

(I’m being silly, and also I think no classes is really unlikely in the near future…)

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It’s an apt comparison. But I refused to go see DeLuca or the Fugees. Why would I see their shows, they weren’t even enrolled at the university!

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Just popping in to remind everyone that the sanctity of ā€œstudent-athlete amateurismā€ was invented as a legal strategy by the NCAA in the '50s and '60s to avoid paying workers comp claims to injured football players. Everyone liked it so much that it first became a marketing strategy and eventually the theoretical core mission of the NCAA.

But it started as a legal strategy.

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