Randy Breuer (sp?) was McHaleâs teammate on the 1980 Gopher team Ralph and the gang beat for the NIT championship. He was a tall, skinny, white dude who I think got some run in the NBA.
I think that Suggs is an unreliable narrator but if you read that article, there were other similar complaints from local kids.
1 Like
Calhoun low potential for Cavalanches? Is that the sound of Calhoun dropping on my list?
2 Likes
I think this means youâre looking for a coach that has shown the ability to adapt to various things (I think this bodes well for Odom who seems to have won in a couple of different ways), or someone whoâs style and program ethos sort of exist independently of the NIL apparatus (a Shaka type who runs a cult-like recruiting operation).
1 Like
My cranky take is that I donât find Kill Shots to be a meaningful metric for a couple of reasons:
- Why 10-0? Seems arbitrary and just a round-number thing. Does it predict anything over and above what efficiency margin would?
- The variation between teams seems very small? At most itâs near 1 run a game difference between the top and bottom teams on each axis.
- Iâm allergic to drawing arbitrary shapes on graphs and calling them meaningful categories. Looks pretty but is analytically suspect. Thereâs like 4 teams in some of those ovals!
6 Likes
I hate that gordonpom guy with a burning passion.
1 Like
Utah state has really good infrastructure to be very competitive in its conference. Minnesota doesnât. Hard to compare the jobs because theyâre so different but one of my bigger concerns about Odom is that both Utah State and VCU are jobs pretty well setup for success. Hard to tell just how good a coach is unless they truly excel there.
And no idea what the answer to your second question would be. I bet there are plenty of fans that long for Pitinoâs level of success at Minny.
Iâm not really concerned that Pitino couldnât recruit local kids just like Bennett couldnât. With Bennett it was mostly about play style and he had to recruit nationally to get the exact guys to fit what he wanted. Iâm just wondering why Pitino didnât. So far it seems like he just didnât try very hard for whatever reason. Maybe they didnât fit his playstyle which is fine. Iâm just hoping he didnât misevaluate them or gave up too easily or was lazy or something like that.
Speaking of Minnesota, they hit the brakes on the Mick Cronin hype train last night. Weâre out on Cronin now, right? RIGHT?
2 Likes
Did Richard Pitino ever sweep the LA schools? (This is a joke)
Earnest point on this: Minnesota went from a difficult place to win to an impossible place to win. But he didnât win! You donât get points for not winning at a place thatâs difficult.
But how much credit should Odom get for kind of winning at programs where itâs âeasyâ to win?
I donât disagree on the number being arbitrary, but i do think it has some value regarding the general approach of 1) Scoring in bunches/getting multiple stops = good and 2) Dry spells/defense going on tilt = bad
Related sidenote - amusing to see the fightinâ Byingtons almost off the graph from giving up a high-level of runs. Maybe more indicative of just how ridiculous the SEC is and how theyâre punching above their weight just being able to stay afloat most nights
More than the amount of credit you get for losing at a place where youâre supposed to lose.
NM is also a place thatâs set up well to win.
This thread has taken on a bit of a silly âabove baselineâ metric that is ⌠well, a bit silly. It kind of ignores the fact that good programs want to hire good coaches.
1 Like
I would argue UMBC isnât an easy place to win. And that Odom was only the 2nd coach in the string of coaches that popped off and he had them as a top 30 team.
Id also argue Odom has done okay at VCU given Rhoades took Ace Baldwin with him and then he lost Tobi Lawal who is kinda the missing piece to his current team
If only there some way to tell whether Shitfart (Shart, if you prefer the whole brevity thing) McGee who took over Southeastern Poopstain U, which was ranked the 350th program when he started his tenure and led them all the way to 345, is a better coach than Bill Self who took over a top 5 program and kept it top 5, is a better coach. But alasâŚ
1 Like
Dads are gonna dad, my friend. Itâs not something that can be turned off, as Iâm sure you well know.
2 Likes
Yeah Iâm generally on the same page. UMBC is why Odom got hired at Utah St and VCU. If he finishes strong the next few weeks it eases most of the concerns around him. I was just worried about how bad VCU looked early, especially for such a veteran team. I was hoping to see him put together a truly dominant season that made it obvious he was the guy.
7 Likes
Its obviously absurd to base my opinion around one game, but I really want him to beat George Mason this weekend. A regular season title this year would make his resume a lot more palatable to me.
Still a lot of concerns about what his tenure at places looks like longer term. The big improvements year 2 are great! Really into that. What happens year 3? We donât really know yet!
Agree I was hoping for him to leave no doubt this year, and I donât think heâs done that at all.
1 Like
Winner gets the job.
1 Like
One year he had to suspend 4 scholarship players and played the last handful of games with 3 or 4 walk ons getting double digit minutes. Another year they suffered a couple of season ending injuries to multiple rotation guys, NBA player Amir Coffey among them. Take those down years with a grain of salt, they werenât great to begin with, but they werenât catastrophic because of Richard. His stint at Minnesota is probably underrated based on the KenPom era results of Monson, Tubby, and Ben Johnson
4 Likes