oh yea itâs definitely debatable with some of the coaches, but my overall point is that the biggest thing thatâs relegated the quality of the ACC is the coaching talent. Like there was a point not too long ago where Buzz Williams wouldâve been considered a bottom half ACC coach and Brownell wouldâve been a total afterthought. The fact that Brownell is now considered one of the premier coaches in the league speaks to whats happened IMO
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Imagine what he could have done if he had won the TJ Power bakeoff
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He may still win it. And without spending a dime. Earl Grant playinâ chess
Actually, who am I kidding, he already won. This is a game of hot potato
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I wonder how NIL âbuyoutsâ will work. Like if we âfiredâ TJ is there a world in which UVA is paying him to play at BC?
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I thought they were month to month. I assume before the revenue sharing deals are in place we could simply just not renew.
Looking forward to celebrating TJ Power Day, a la Bobby Bonilla day, for years to come.
@Foresthoo Iâve already got one fact wrong, so I wonât say anything definitive. I suspect we will have to see how it plays out this portal season (and beyond).
Beyond revenue sharing, there will still be all the âtraditionalâ NIL stuff. And there will be lots of gray area in the traditional realm. Itâs supposed to go through PWC or Deloitte (or one of those), but who knows that means. Like, will they see what other local celebrities the good feet store is paying, other than the hoops team? Who knowsâŚ
And donât expect collectives to go quietly (that is - without significant litigation).
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My question is, is this just a byproduct of the revenue gap between the ACC and SEC/BIG though? The SEC is raking in so much more money per year and had to invest it in something, and thatâs when they went out and started to buy up all the best coaching prospects in basketball and pour money into facilities. I donât think itâs an accident the coaching talent is there - itâs money and support resources. Until we can narrow the revenue gap, weâre gonna be cooked because theyâll just poach from us.
Weâve talked about all this for years on here, and the thing many thought would come to pass has. Eventually the money was going to matter, institutional history/legacy be damned.
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It was:
- Poor timing - ACC was awesome about ten years ago, with K, Roy, Boeheim, Laranaga, and Hamilton (and Pitino, too, I guess) still competing at the top of the sport
- Early departure - Tony (and before that, had kinda faded a bit)
- Meh replacements - Autry, Hubert, Forbes, and prior to Kelsey, Kenny Payne
- $$ to coaches - relatively weak SEC programs were able to make splashy hires: Beard, Jans, (sort of) Mike White, Byington
- $$ to players- SEC is getting the better portal players and that makes their coaches look good and the lack thereof makes good ACC coaches (Young) look meh, and meh ACC coaches (Grant?) look bad
It absolutely isnât a coincidence that the ACC has been relegated. Its very much due to the expanding revenue gap. But this gap didnât start yesterday. The SEC has been well ahead of the other conferences for a while, and whatâs truly caused the ACC to nosedive is the retirement of these HOF coaches.
Weâre likely never gonna get back on the same field revenue wise with the P2. What we can hopefully do is leverage our pristine and second-to-none reputation/history as a conference to attract high-level coaches and out-perform the revenue gap. Cause no matter what kinda money the SEC brings in, our tradition and pedigree as a conference is still king(in basketball). Duke and UNC carries a lot of it, but we still have the most championships this century if Iâm not mistaken as well as years of being branded the best conference. That hopefully wonât disappear overnight so the conference as a whole shouldnât be settling for guys like Keatts and Forbes 'mehâing it up so to speak during this critical time
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Yeah itâs looking pretty rough for the ACC (and likely us). Weâre going to have to pull in donor money just to have enough to pay regular revenue distribution at the max level because ACC schools are making so much more less than other conferences (and itâs even worse now with the Clemson FSU thing). Iâm starting to be concerned it doesnât really matter who we get as a coach. I know the word is weâll have money for next year, but I worry about beyond. The SEC and Big 10 are just going to get stronger and stronger.
I think itâs money first, with coaches as a secondary effect, yeah.
The conference secured those great coaches back when the ACC was a primo destination. And then the SEC/BIG overtook us, and we were no longer able to get coaches at that level. For a few years that didnât matter so much, because we still had the great coaches we got from before. But now that theyâre gone⌠weâre not able to replace them.
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All the reporting seems to indicate that if the ACC goes belly-up, UVA (and UNC) will prob be fine. I tend to believe it, there are too many factors working in our favor even if our football program has been shit (maybe gets better starting this year?lol)
My ultimate hope is that the ACC is able to figure it out. I really do love this conference, the profile of the universities in it, and the overall culture of it. UVA will always be a founding member of the ACC, and I like that. Itâs becoming increasingly unlikely, but if the ACC can find a way to win national championships in the revenue sports in the coming years, the conversation changes IMO. Miami, FSU, and Clemson absolutely still have the talent to win natties in football rn. Duke and UNC still do in basketball. Itâs critical those programs find a way to win titles in the coming years if this conference is to survive
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Meh would be overstating it quite a bit!
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Also, ND doesnât fit nicely into any of these boxes. They have an SEC-like budget, I assume. They have a widely regarded as good youngish coach (at least he was when hired).
Whereâs the hoops investment? Whereâs the talent? Whatâs up with Shrews?
ACC Hoops this year really feels like a case of everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, except for Duke, and that just makes it wronger
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Cameron Boozer
Cayden Boozer
Nate Ament
Caleb Wilson
Baye Ndongo
Jalen Haralson
Drake Powell
Tyran Stokes
Alijah Arenas
Sadiq White
Jalil Bethea
Isaiah Evans
Donnie Freeman
Darren Harris
JJ Starling
Jacob Cofie
Andrej Stojakovic
Elliot Cadeau
These guys have more to say about the quality of the ACC next season than Mike Young, Earl Grant, Hubert Davis, Red Autry, or Steve Forbes do.
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OMG we promised him $750K per year for life??
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Yeah, I agree with this. The âcould the program do betterâ piece is the only thing I was commenting on. I do think between those two, there are some positively trending young coaches in the conference.
That article reads Byington/Odom
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Geographical fit having the highest success rate and the examples being Odom and Byington.
I feel vindicated
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