Outside the ACC December 2023

MSU net ranking about to explode

The one thing I remember about the Kenpom article that @AdventiveQuasar posted was that Baylor was due some bad 3pt variance

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Zona not able to get the easy post looks for their bigs with Edey checking then in the paint, and the Purdue guards are red hot shooting the ball.

5 seconds left can Purdue lose this?

I’m forever a fan of Pitino. Also, if not the Hoos, I’m rooting for Purdue to win it all this season.
https://x.com/RealPitino/status/1736402497361555759?s=20

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https://twitter.com/PaulBiancardi/status/1736749970542170513

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ā€œAnd then he pooped in a towel and handed it to me. Good old Coach Majerus!ā€

Also, speaking of Moser, UNC-Oklahoma on Wed night (in Charlotte) should be a very good gauge for Oklahoma. Probably their toughest game yet

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Remind again how Majerus did in a one and done scenario of madness?
.705 Career Overall Win Percentage
Missed the Madness all 3 seasons at Marquette
Went 1-1 at Ball State (won an 8-9 first round game)
15 years at Utah and 11 Madness appearances.
Elite 8 in 1997 and Final Game in 1998 with 4 guys who appeared in the NBA. (Including 3 lottery picks)
2 other Sweet 16’s
5 Second Round losses
2 First round losses as an 11 and 12 seed

In the 20 years since he left Utah they have 4 appearances.

Same point over and again, we get it. Bennett has won 62% of his games in the NCAAT at Wazzou and UVa. Difference is, he has a title. I’m sure Majerus would trade his 70% for a title and a few more first-round exits.

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In the history of fandom, I don’t think there is anyone who has discounted a national title more.

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I actually posted for Majerus and had forgotten how much success he had at Utah.
Really good going 323-95 there and 17-11 in the madness.
Nothing to sneeze at losing to that 1998 Kentucky team in the championship game…. They had 6 NBA dudes. And they beat #1 seeds Arizona and North Carolina to get there.
Majerus similar style as Tony - that year they were 4th in points allowed and 19th in offensive efficiency.
Kind of an unlucky run for him in the tournament- got Eliminated by Kentucky 3 straight years.
That reminds me why…
I was rooting so hard for Texas Tech in the 2019 semifinal vs Mich State. lol

Missed my point …
by the way Majerus was 59% winning in the madness and 61% at Utah - his best spot.
Tony is 57% in the madness and 62% at UVA.
So basically very very similar results.

I am simply trying to figure out is there a commonality that causes some teams to underperform their seed in any given year or over the course of time?

Love Tony and simply want us to do well consistently when lights are brightest as that will bring a bigger platform to the pillars.

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No discount. Winning a title is hard. Only 1 team out of 360 every year gets to do it.
And Tony’s done it.

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In the last four tournaments, Kansas won a national title … and lost three times in the second round. Over that same span, Baylor also won a national tournament … and also lost three times in the second round.

I don’t think there’s any commonality or anything systemic. I just think that there’s a lot of luck involved in a single-elimination tournament.

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Well shoot … would you take consistent advancing to the 2nd round at this point? And mix in a Final 4 here or there?

I guess a second-round loss is better than a first-round loss, but I don’t see the two as being significantly different. Honestly, unless we’re getting at least to the Elite Eight, I couldn’t care less. I’m not going to judge a season a success or failure based on one or two games.

But, yeah, it would be nice to mix in an occasional Final Four.

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It may not make a difference to you but it does to a lot of people and especially the national narrative.
And you can’t get to the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 if you don’t get to the 2nd round. :grinning:

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Bad high school shooters rarely become good college shooters.

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Massive difference between losing to a 13 seed and losing to a 5 seed.

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This. Nothing drives me crazier than when we’re recruiting and people will say ā€œHe can put work into his shotā€ like that has even a decent chance of making somebody a good three point shooter. I personally think that stuff is way more baked by the end of high school than many seem to think. If it were as easy as just working on it, there’d be a ton more elite three point shooters in college basketball.

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