🏀 Outside the ACC Offseason 2024

I do think this is a massive underestimation of how good Karaban is, he creates for himself much more than you’d think. Of course he benefited from being surrounded by a bunch of other really good players but I don’t think that means he was relegated to ‘role player’, if anything Castle was the glue guy in that lineup. Averaging 13/5 on really good shooting splits for a national title winning team is a little more than a role player IMO, also think McNeeley and Johnson both have separate skillsets that are very valuable.

I would take UConn’s 3/4/5 over ours pretty easily this season, but that’s not to say I don’t like our guys. I think it would be closer if we were talking about who we’d take for the next two years, because I really like the projection of Power, Saunders, and Buchanan in 2025-2026 whereas Karaban and McNeeley are probably going pro after this year.

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I’d be very happy if Power winds up giving us Karaban’s output / skill set / what have you

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He had a higher BPR than anyone on our roster last year. He improved on his freshman season on higher usage. That 37% from 3 shooting is on a higher volume than anyone shot for us. Sure he’s elevated by the talent around him but he also earned a role on the best team in basketball two years running. Not arguing us v. UConn but I think he has demonstrably proven to be a better college player than anyone we have.

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(I have to argue here because @DFresh11 nuked the RD thread :joy:)

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Straight vaporised it like an RD NBA 3

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I think maybe Im overestimating how quickly Saunders and Power hit their projection.

Just watching UConn’s game last night and the blue white scrimmage, I think Power and Saunders have more to their game and opportunity + experience/confidence of being trusted.

I think this is the sane assumption, but Im more so taking the optimistic fan projection given Power and Saunders have never really been given the opportunity to be the key players being built around. We will see. I’d personally take Saunders (athleticism) and Power (who I think is the better 3pt shooter) as players to build around.

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What I do wonder though is would have have the same opinion of Evan Nolte as Karraban if Nolte weren’t being held back and shackled by Tony Bennett?

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People forget the 16-1 upset would have happened in 2014 if not for Nolte in that Coastal Carolina game.

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Ironically, Karaban and Power are both from Worcester and I think are the same age. I’m sure they’ve played each other a lot. HS, open gyms, etc.

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I was there …. Let’s not oversell Nolte and undersell Gill in that game though.

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Let’s just ask TJ then who’s better

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I never forget and it should be talked about more. Also wasn’t there a weird side plot where one of the coastal Carolina players’ surrogate US family was one of the UVA basketball managers? Might be hallucinating that.

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Minor statistical point: there’s a little “rising tide lifts all boats” thing that goes on with plus-minus types of metrics (BPR, RAPM) where the individual player gets a bunch of team success (or anti-success) attributed to them.

Think about it this way: if a team is +10 per game in point differential during the year, individual players’ plus-minus stats come from that point differential getting divided among the roster in various ways that try to be proportional to the amount that each player contributed. This both makes sense (the players on a +10/game team are likely better than the ones on a -10/game team) and also can lead to some overestimation of role players on good teams and underestimation of players on bad teams.

UVA example: in 2018-19, Mamadi and Braxton (and by a small amount, Kihei) had higher BPRs than in 2019-20. Did they get worse that following year or was it just that they weren’t quite as effective at their more featured roles compared to their more limited roles the year before?

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Lol for real? I don’t see it anymore. Surely it’s somewhere on the server and @jazznutUVA or someone can bring it back?

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I undeleted it… but left it closed.

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Thanks. Curious why keep it closed? Future RD stuff just goes in the Hoos in the NBA thread?

Booo that man

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We need real games or fake scrimmage games to start soon. This is starting to feel like a real long car ride with your siblings.

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Karaban maybe would have been a late first round pick had he left early and will probably be the same this year.

Liam mcneeley will also be a lottery pick this year.

cmon man

I was legit trying to impress @jazznutUVA and it took like 30 minutes to delete. Now this mufukr reverses it. Hilarious

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