Damn.
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Dane Fife with a classic in the genre of “pretending to tamp down on a rumor while actually creating one.” In an interview with DeCourcy from Sporting News, he said that the rumor that he sought a clause in his contract to be Woodson’s coach in waiting at IU was incorrect. Instead, IU sought to put it in, but he said no. Hmm, okay… so rumor put to bed then… 
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Finally got around to the weave’s Pac 12 episode. Got a kick from their comments about how strange it is for Stanford to have low basketball IQ teams.
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Does Drew Timme become an NBA prospect (first round) if he comes to UVa? His major issue is defense (secondary : add the three) and getting killed on PnR. He shoulda come here and been drilled on it from day 1. Plus he’d have been put it fewer situations where the weakness was so glaring.
Probably marginal, but some interesting food for thought.
Getting Kadin into the draft would be yuge for our program, but it seems like a long shot.
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Maybe? My UVA comp for him would be Anthony Gill; AG was pretty much as productive as you could expect a big to be on offense and I think was seen as a solid defender. Of course AG didn’t get drafted and needed to add the 3 to get to the NBA, but maybe a National Player of the Year version of AG gets drafted.
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Gill always had the 3 … simply wasn’t allowed to shoot it at UVA.
Shot 39% from 3 at South Carolina … shot over 40% his first pro year overseas…
p.s. - Attempted 3 threes at UVA and made 2 of them.
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Think this is right – would really love to replay the Tobey / Gill era with 20-21 Tony, who is cool with his bigs stretching the floor.
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He only had 28 attempts from 3 at S.Car, 34% from midrange (on 113 attempts), and 65% from FT line. That doesn’t scream 3pt shooter to me, and with his career at-rim percentage being above 70% (often with half of the buckets being unassisted), I think he was used pretty well.
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The argument isn’t “make him Kyle Guy”, it’s that he’s got the ability to be a weapon out there, so maybe 3 was woefully low for the number of attempts in his UVa career.
Also, let’s not pretend that Tony made a decision that Gill wasn’t a good enough shooter out there so he wouldn’t shoot threes. He didn’t have to make the decision. Gill shooting threes wasn’t even in Tony’s decision set. But, fortunately, now it is.
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No. Mike Curtis is great but he ain’t fixing that foot speed.
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So let me get this straight - you want to use every metric other than 3 point shooting % to determine whether someone is a good 3 point shooter???
43% Three point shooter in 4 seasons in Europe
By the way 42% 3 point shooter in the NBA so far in 50 attempts.
28 attempts is simply not enough to forecast with precision a player’s 3pt ability, given how much variance there is in 3pt shooting, so looking at additional sources of information about shooting ability more generally improves predictions. This is well-known even when predicting pro 3pt shooting from college performance; college FT percentage predicts pro 3pt percentage better than college 3pt percentage.
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Agree - not with precision. But if he’s shooting 28 as a frosh, on not terribly high usage in general, it’s enough to know that he’s got the tool in his toolbox.
I do agree that Gill was good enough from 2 to make that a real tradeoff. Maybe that’s why you play him with Tobey, and let one of them operate on the perimeter, and one of them underneath.
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My point wasn’t that he should shoot 200 threes a season… My point was that he simply makes them at as high a rate as anybody we’ve had at UVA the last 25 years.
He was the best and most efficient post player we’ve had at UVA this century. Very underrated among the annals of best players at UVA.
Field Goal Percentage - Career
| 1. | Anthony Gill, 2013-14 to 2015-16 | .582 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | Olden Polynice, 1983-84 to 1985-86 | .578 |
| 3. | Ralph Sampson, 1979-80 to 1982-83 | .568 |
| 4. | Mike Scott, 2007-08 to 2011-12 | .521 |
| 5. | Travis Watson, 1999-00 to 2002-03 | .519 |
| 6. | Wally Walker, 1972-73 to 1975-76 | .518 |
| 7. | Othell Wilson, 1980-81 to 1983-84 | .511 |
| 8. | Chris Williams, 1998-99 to 2001-02 | .510 |
| 9. | Lee Raker, 1977-78 to 1980-81 | .503 |
| 10. | Mel Kennedy, 1984-85 to 1987-88 | .493 |
Complete 1964-65 to 2021-22
Is there a minimum number of shots to make that list? Because I can think of some obvious recent omissions (and it says it goes through '22). Doesn’t really detract from your point, I’m just curious.
Yeah, Jay Huff was .588. Jack Salt was .590. That’s just recent.
So I’m sure there is a minimum per game.
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Looks like Dave got it from Sports Reference, but yeah, there must be a minimum, and they don’t say what it is, unfortunately.
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Yeah - minimum per season as well on season stats but not sure what their cutoff is on min attempts.
Here’s another list that shows effectiveness over a career on both ends.
Player Efficiency Rating - Career
| 1. | Jay Huff, 2017-18 to 2020-21 | 27.4 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | Anthony Gill, 2013-14 to 2015-16 | 25.9 |
| 3. | De’Andre Hunter, 2017-18 to 2018-19 | 24.0 |
| 4. | Mike Tobey, 2012-13 to 2015-16 | 22.6 |
| 5. | Malcolm Brogdon, 2011-12 to 2015-16 | 20.6 |
| 6. | Ty Jerome, 2016-17 to 2018-19 | 19.7 |
| 7. | Justin Anderson, 2012-13 to 2014-15 | 19.5 |
| 8. | Joe Harris , 2010-11 to 2013-14 | 19.3 |
| 9. | Mamadi Diakite, 2016-17 to 2019-20 | 19.3 |
| 10. | Kyle Guy, 2016-17 to 2018-19 | 18. |
| Complete 2012-13 to 2021-22 |
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I like this one too … this adds up each year and is not an average … Gill, Guy and Ty are the only ones on the list who didn’t play 4 years. Gill likely finishes #1 or 2 if he had played all 4 years at UVA.
Win Shares
| 1. | Malcolm Brogdon, 2011-12 to 2015-16 | 20.3 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | Chris Williams, 1998-99 to 2001-02 | 17.9 |
| 3. | Joe Harris , 2010-11 to 2013-14 | 17.8 |
| 4. | London Perrantes, 2013-14 to 2016-17 | 17.0 |
| 5. | Anthony Gill, 2013-14 to 2015-16 | 15.7 |
| 6. | Mike Scott, 2007-08 to 2011-12 | 15.5 |
| 7. | Travis Watson, 1999-00 to 2002-03 | 14.8 |
| 8. | Sean Singletary, 2004-05 to 2007-08 | 14.4 |
| 9. | Ty Jerome, 2016-17 to 2018-19 | 13.7 |
| 10. | Kyle Guy, 2016-17 to 2018-19 | 13.7 |
Complete 1995-96 to 2021-22
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