šŸ€ UVa Men's Basketball - January 2024

Exactly. The models are basically forecasting what our chances if our next 6 weeks include 3 weeks of playing as the 240th best team and 3 weeks of playing as the 10th best team (roughly). Of course we won’t make the tourney if that happens. But like you said, doubt the next six weeks will be a mirror of the last six.

If we beat ND, I think the Clemson game is almost house money. I think that’s likely our 2nd hardest game left. I have a feeling we will win in Blacksburg this year and also win @fsu.

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This. And I wish all our guys would. Atleast near most of the time. A couple of times Rohde has read a play and created space for a cutter by drawing the D with him away from the basket (ok he did it once to RD but it was nice)

Cant say enough anout being a perceived threat on the perimeter

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Hav stole my gag

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Square up and play triple threat?

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If 22-9 is not a lock to get in then we need to find any way possible to get out of the ACC asap

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The problem with Taine offensively is that he’s enough of a vet to know that Tony won’t punish guys for being members of the chicken shit club. Make a mistake? Pine time. Fail to try to make a play? No problem.

(Same problem the DOJ has cultivated over the past generation or so — where the term chicken shit club is borrowed from)

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Chickenshit-Club/Jesse-Eisinger/9781501121388

Two caveats:

  1. not trying to start an ideological thing/tangent. It’s just a useful phrase. And I wanted to show where it originated

  2. you can over correct! And that’s bad, too!

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I’ll go ahead and agree wholeheartedly that there is an overall endogeneity problem in terms of assessing causality, not just for Taine but for all players on all teams (the analytics could be better, in my opinion, because a lot of confounders are available and could be modeled).

That said, I don’t see Taine turning down open 3-pointers, and he’s not afraid to probe the lane. There are potentially some limitations on both ends, but playing within those limits, he doesn’t seem afraid to try to make a play.

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His usage numbers suggest he’s mostly uninvolved. Whether that’s a him problem or not, is of course open for debate

My view on the Taine/Rohde/Elijah (and sometimes Dante) PT debate: none of them are difference makers at this point in their career for extended periods of time (at least not in any good way), so why not cycle amongst them trying to find the hot hand, the good matchups, etc, and thereby develop in all of them what Tony likes most about Rohde (feel)

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This is the best way to look at it. This schedule set up well for a group of players who hadn’t played a season together… did we lose some bad games early (that I really didn’t think we would)? sure. But look at those games… it wasn’t the same team playing that we have now. This year just took longer for them to figure it out, and really they still are working towards it.

This schedule set up well for a younger team finding their way, although the margin for error is smaller for a group that struggled early. Let’s see how we stack up the next 2 weeks.

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Agreed

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Is this what people refer to as ā€œhaving gravityā€? Looks like an anti gravity gravity machine

Credit fm.creative picture on instagram. She has some cool shit

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I get where you are coming from, but from Tony’s perspective he probably views Rohde’s vision as a difference maker. Or at least a skillset that stands out way more than what he sees in Taine and Gertrude. You can tell Gertrude’s handle is still a little shaky even if he can hit that midrange jumper; given how little room we have for error Tony sees that shaky handle and gets flashbacks to Memphis where we couldn’t even bring the ball up the court and were getting plucked at half court.

Limiting that shaky ball handling and playing Groves less/putting him less in hedging situations seems to be where we have curbed the being blownout potential (on top of Minor/Buchanan being trusted to guard one on one in the post).

I could see an argument for Taine getting more minutes when Rohde isn’t doing the thing that he’s on the floor to do (like vs NC State where he wasn’t taking care of the ball at all. Yesterday there were some turnover but the game was already over and Rohde was actually shooting and hitting threes).

I want to see Gertrude over Dante but even with Dante’s poor play he is still a stable dribbler. But his defense has been badddd off the ankle roll and he cannot hit anything. So idk. Gertrude will give you athleticism and midrange jumpers but also chaos in ball security and jumping at every pump fake which leads to everyone else rotating or compensating which leads to defensive breakdowns.

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That’s probably a fair airing of what he’s mostly thinking (with quibbles around the details that I won’t get bogged down in). Hence the chickenshit club. ā€œMinimize mistakes (and also positive offensive plays)ā€

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Here is a Trigger Warning: This tidbit came from today’s Duke Basketball Report (ACC Round UP). Sure, the writers are Duke fans but they have less bias than a lot of folks here; even more importantly, though, they value the ACC and have a lot of respect for CTB.

"We didn’t see any way for Louisville to beat Virginia and of course they didn’t. Virginia pulled away early, going up 11-0, and never looked back and was up 41-13 at the half.

You kind of know it’s all over when you only have 13 at the half.

The bigger message though is that Virginia has gone through its growing pains and is now officially a pain in the ass again. You can’t learn a lot from Louisville per se, but you can learn a lot from how they’re playing lately and they’re playing damn good. It really feels like Virginia has turned a big corner."

Anyway, it is good to get recognition from our rivals and even better to be a Pain in the Ass again.

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I said no quibbles, but I lied. Elijah’s turnover rate is only slightly worse than Rohde’s. That’s why there’s no logical defense of Tony’s PT decisions.

There’s emotional answers: he must like something about Rohde that can’t be reduced to anything tangible (tbh, that’s my answer)

There are appeals to authority: ā€œTony is a HOF coach, and you’re an idiot on the internet, Haneyā€

There’s the ā€œblack boxā€ answer: it’s practice and nobody here watches that, so there’s no way to know

But there are no logical answers that survive a quick review of stats, games, etc.

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If the defense translates to higher comp, then I’ll start buying our tourney odds.

2019-2020 we gained momentum and never looked back. 2021-2022 we had that four game streak to give hope then regressed again.

I think we’re more talented than both teams. Obvious difference in experience though.

We’re 4-0 in close games (ranked 11th) and ranked 338th in FT percentage. One of the worst teams at getting to the line so hasn’t burned us but feel like could determine our season at some point. Of all the silly things to worry about.

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What about passing and defense

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His passing is okay. His assist rate is fine, not spectacular. His defense is pretty good in some matchups, not others.

Again, I’m not saying bench Rohde, I’m saying that this debate is dumb. He’s not that good! Neither are Elijah or Taine or Dante. None of them are good at this point.

Play all of them and ditch the priors

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