🏀 UVa Men's Basketball - January 2024

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Well Coach Holland was a different beast.. just saying

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Facts

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Thanks guys, Just tells me im getting old and losing my memory. I remember NOW that it was Wally Walker they hired

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I’m sure the school is involved

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And herein lies the problem… Are we really participating or are we not? If we are then it’s worth advertising…

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I’ll add to this: I’ve heard from someone who would definitely know that UVa’s NIL program is similar to in execution and close enough to be competitive with Indiana’s, for example (at least it was this past offseason).

It’s like HGN said - for many players and schools, that’s the first question/beginning of the discussion, which isn’t how we do things.

We would definitely benefit from an awareness campaign. Trilly’s post even makes it sound like we don’t do NIL but have the resources that we could, when what he really means is that we don’t push/market/lead with NIL - but that’s a big account and there are probably players/the people around them reading that and thinking that you shouldn’t play at UVa if you want NIL money.

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NIL deal idea: “The Redshirts”

Paramount + ad campaign during March Madness for their Star Trek TV shows with commercials of our redshirts doing redshirt tasks aboard a space ship.

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Tony’s vibes right now.

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I wish we’d have a clear pathway so recruits and potential transfers can have info at their fingertips. At the same time, are there really guys who we’d eventually land (fit, style, etc) who aren’t going through an extra step of getting that info. Maybe it excludes some people at the start of the process or there’s a perception thing about our NIL that prevents guys from considering Virginia, but I’d wager that the perception thing on NIL preventing guys from considering us is probably more a perception thing about the program itself (our style, system).

One thing is that we are probably hurt marginally more than others from the lack of transparency around NIL. If there is some more formal regulation with transparency around collectives, that would seem to help us more than others.

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As long as they don’t leave the ship

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So we have a pretty decent NIL but we aren’t really about advertising it… I’m not sure why this program insists on tying one hand behind its back but here we are

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I think people are sort of missing it as well.

There are programs that pay guys to come. We are not one of them. We miss out on some of the top transfers as a result.

Our players receive btw top 10%-20% in NIL on average. So top 30th-60th territory in D1 basketball. It’s not used as a recruiting tool but maybe helps retain players or win recruiting battles against schools with lesser NIL.

Both can be true. And I think Trilly is speaking to the former. Which you can still agree is bad on principle but it doesn’t change the facts.

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Why is it so hard to see that CTB would find leading a new recruit conversation with a money offer distasteful? He doesn’t want to be a semi-pro coach.

Maybe Walker’s new job is to be the bag man that contacts the recruit separately.

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I mean it’s part of the game now. Imagine if when the 3 point line was introduced a coach refused to have his players shoot from outside of it because he found it distasteful. You have to adapt to new rules

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There’s a big difference between not discussing NIL as an opening topic and flat out ignoring it.

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Also a big difference between money offers to minors and a new 3-point line.

Distasteful was probably the wrong word. Maybe sleazy is better.

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For reference in the discussion:

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Just a bigger picture for @HoozGotNext :

What’s the median approach to “advertising” NIL? Like in practical concrete terms what do normal coaches say or do re: NIL. Miami being one extreme, Virginia being the other extreme.

Is it that when coaches reach out to a recruit they mention the collective figures? Or when they get on campus they set up an appointment for them?

Im trying to learn what our coaches are actively avoiding in the recruitment/transfer process that they should be doing differently at different moments.

Im guessing our coaches don’t pretend to zip their lips and shake their heads when a recruit or transfer inquires. But I also don’t know how it plays out compared to others.

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Here’s my comparison: when Tony was thinking about leaving Wazzu for a better gig, and thinking about how much different schools pay**, do you all think there was some mechanism whereby Tony had a pretty good idea of the ballpark UVa plays in, salary-wise? Or do you think he had to chase that info down through a convoluted set of intermediaries?

** obligatory: “Tony doesn’t care about money”. There, I typed the lie so someone else doesn’t have to have that on their list for St Pete

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Good comparison.

However I’ll counter with I doubt UVa or any school is posting a salary range for their coaches when a search opens up which is essentially what fans are asking for. It doesn’t work that way.

However it is also not some shadowy cabal tunnel system players have to navigate to get answers. A simple DM to any current player or fellow recruit answers the question. It’s silly to imagine a world where this information is not shared amongst recruits and their team. The same it is silly to think programs are posting salary ranges for a starting PG.

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