🏈 Virginia vs Bye Week U Part 2, 4-4 (2-3 ACC), Saturday, 2 November 2024

[jazznutUVA]

I’ve already put $100 down on the over here.

[MaineWahoo]

Haven’t been able to tune in the past few weeks but have skimmed through the threads which quickly went from “Bowl game? Eh?” to “How quickly can we fire Elliott?” So I’m assuming we haven’t just lost but have looked lost?

[Sknyluv]

The UNC game was THE season defining game. If we would have beat Louisville, a win against UNC puts us in a bowl. But even with the Louisville loss, a UNC win sets us up to earn a bowl game against tough competition. But now … well, 5 wins looks unlikely and Elliott is likely to go 3 wins, 3 wins, 4 wins … not great.

[Hooandtrue]

How many more games does UVA win

• 0
• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4

Does UVA make a bowl game?

• Yes
• No

Coach Tony Elliot

• Fire him after the season ends
• Give him 4th year

[dave92]

@MaineWahoo

So I’m assuming we haven’t just lost but have looked lost?

[Hooandtrue]

Elliot is a tremendous man. But I voted fire him after the season ends. A hard reset on both revenue sports would be fun to say the least.

Elliot just don’t understand how niche UVA is, and he doesn’t have a scheme really to compensate for the lack of talent.

edit: that being said if Elliot comes back and wins two games in these last 4 he definitely stays the 4th year and you hope it’s a turning of the corner.

[BDragon]

Tough answering some of those questions.

I think the Hoos win one more game. Not sure when how or where but losing 8(?) in a row is tough and I think they pull it together and get 1.

Assuming that happens I have no idea what happens to CTE. I was very adamant at the start of the season he should be retained for year four and now I’m scratching my head and am not sure. If he gets the team to a bowl game from this point he stays. If he loses out he’s gone. If he wins 1 I think you move on but only if you have a lock for who the next guy is and can get him on the ground before Christmas.

[dave92]

@BDragon

I was very adamant at the start of the season he should be retained for year four and now I’m scratching my head and am not sure.

I was very adamant prior to the UNC game and now I’m not so sure. That’s how bad that game was.

[BDragon]

Same I said all season it was going come down to how the games play out. Up until the UNC game the loses were competitive and they avoided the hapless look. Saturday the wheels fell off. It’s one thing to lose but you can’t lose and look like you don’t have a clue what you’re doing.

[jazznutUVA]

@Hooandtrue

A hard reset on both revenue sports would be fun to say the least.

We should mix it up and hire someone too coach both teams at the same time… that would definitely give us some press for the next year!

[MaineWahoo]

I don’t think I’ve ever really thought Elliott was going to work out here after watching his first season, but I also think he’s going to get a fourth year. With all that’s happened and him being a good person, it’d surprise me if the institution doesn’t feel he should be granted that. I personally don’t think it’ll amount to much and we’ll have a new coach within two years, but I’d just be surprised if they let him go now.

[Sknyluv]

@BDragon

I think the Hoos win one more game. Not sure when how or where but losing 8(?) in a row is tough and I think they pull it together and get 1.

I think one more win keeps Elliott here. If that win is @Tech, then he definitely makes it to year 4. Although, I personally don’t see another win happening and Elliott should be let go at the end of the season. I’d rather roll the dice on a new coach and see what happens. A rebuild at this point means very little to a program this bad.

[Jerome]

@Sknyluv

A rebuild at this point means very little to a program this bad

This is where I’m at… we lose so much from the 2 deep this offseason, don’t have a QB we can’t afford to lose, and don’t have a great recruiting class we’re worried about breaking up. If we lose out, rip the bandaid off and let’s get a new guy in here. Nothing to lose at that point.

[Sknyluv]

@Jerome

This is where I’m at… we lose so much from the 2 deep this offseason, don’t have a QB we can’t afford to lose, and don’t have a great recruiting class we’re worried about breaking up. If we lose out, rip the bandaid off and let’s get a new guy in here. Nothing to lose at that point.

This might sound harsh, but I’m not sure there’s really anyone on the roster that we can’t afford to lose. Would hate to lose Kam but would enjoy seeing him thrive on a better team. Sanker, too. Go … do great things!

[BDragon]

@Sknyluv

A rebuild at this point means very little to a program this bad.

Like I said if they lose out, Tony has to go. But if you’re going to do it they need to have someone lined up and ready to hit the ground running. A rebuild build doesn’t mean much but another bad hire could be a death note. The administration has to hit the ground running and get someone on the recruiting trail before the CFP end.

[Jerome]

This would be a totally different conversation if we had a few Kam’s we wanted to keep around, but I’m not seeing many of the young kids Tony recruited showing out. It’s happening here and there but certainly not at the rate you want, or enough to inspire confidence that we have the talent and just need to develop it.

Think about it like this: we have a largely veteran roster that still isn’t good enough to go win 6 games (that’s the ceiling). It’s a largely mediocre to bad 2-deep, yet very few young players are breaking through on the depth chart. I think we sometimes assume guys like Jahmeer Carter for example are good, largely because they’ve started for a couple of years, when in actuality, they’re just starting because we have no one better.

[Sknyluv]

@BDragon

The administration has to hit the ground running and get someone on the recruiting trail before the CFP end.

Totally agree. Best case the search has already started. Then maybe you can get someone in time to take advantage of the portal when it opens on Dec 9th.

[Jerome]

I remember early on in the Bronco years that the recruiting wasn’t discernably better, but you could see that he had an eye for talent. The Jordan Macks, Bryce Halls, Juan Thornhills. And there was a sense he was building toward something. We got incrementally better and the quality of recruiting picked up enough to sustain the 6-8 win seasons.

His issue, as I imagine the consistent issue anyone will have here, was stockpiling enough depth to weather a long season and inevitable injuries. But in my estimation, he did as good a job as any for the better part of his tenure.

[StLouHoo]

@Jerome

we lose so much from the 2 deep this offseason

Let’s look at the 44 guys on the offensive and defensive 2-deeps:

We know we’re losing 19 to eligibility alone:
Offense (8): QB Muskett, WR Tyree, RB Pace, TE Wood, TE Neville, OL Nnanna, OL Christ, OL Stevens
Defense (11): DL Smiley, DL J Carter, DL Butler, DL Bennett, LB Jackson, LB Jones, DB Shine, DB K Smith, DB Sanker, DB Clary, DB Thomas

That’s almost half the 2 deep that’s merely graduating. But then you have to wonder what the Portal does. If players are losing faith in the coaching staff after another bad season, how many more guys from the 2-deep bounce? Especially if better NIL promises from peer programs factor in?

So we’re now having to restock the majority of our 2-deep from a losing team without any real competitiveness in the Portal or obvious instant-impact rookies to lean on.

So next year you’re back to rebuilding anyways. Might as well let the next coach be the one to tackle that; otherwise 2025 becomes just a throwaway season before we make the move anyways ahead of the 2026 year.

This year is shaping up a lot like 2014, London’s 2nd-to-last year, where the writing was on the wall but the appetite to buy him out was not, so, stuck at 4 early wins in November, the admin seized on a random upset of Miami to announce he was coming back for 2015. But all that did was ensure another year of sub-mediocrity before accepting the inevitable.

[Jerome]

Rip the band aid, Carla. Sorry, 2nd band aid reference but my 4 year old is obsessed with them right now, so it’s top of mind…and applicable.

Can’t think of a single path toward success in 2025 with CTE