2022 Fall Recruiting Thread: Gertrude Watch, Tony on the Road, and the 2024s

Florida huh, JWilly headed to waste his time at IMG. Lol

Will be interesting to see if DeMary is receptive. Maybe he’s smart and realizes he doesn’t really
want to go to State

We really are exhausting all options huh

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A lot of random schools are jumping in. He is the clear definition of best available, and no one is afraid of NC State even if they are the home team lol. Alabama offered a few days ago.

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Yeah. I want two of the main 1-3 spots to be 38%+ three point shooters. That’s required for a deep tourney run.

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I think we will continue to run it, and it will probably the “base” in the sense that it’s the foundation, but in the last 4 years, starting with the natty run, we have only 1 year (last year) where it was the most commonly run offense. And Elmarko has already spilled the beans about this upcoming year.

(None of which is to say that perimeter shooting won’t be important – it will be important in every offense, increasingly so. But other skills will be important, too).

EDIT - interestingly, 3PA% and Blocker-Mover actually seem negatively correlated. (just emphasizing that I agree that recruiting great shooters is super important, but not necessarily b/c of Sides)

One more point on 3pt recruiting – it seems easy enough to figure out who the BEST three point shooters will most likely be (Guy, McKneeley), and easy enough to identify who can’t really shoot, but how do you differentiate the guys in the middle from each other? That’s why coaches get paid, I guess…

Both Silas and Elijah Gertrude are 40%+ from 3. Wasn’t exagerrating when I said both Silas and Elijah were better 3pt shooters than GW3 this past summer.

A video from a year ago (it was just what was tabbed up on my twitter lol). Shows some of the 3pt shooting though

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Trying to determine an in coming player’s ability to make threes in college based on HS is kinda funny to me. Take away guys like JJ Redick, Curt Staples, Kyle and Ty its not so easy to do.

I also feel like Ty made himself a total sniper IN college and not everyone expected that

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If I had to guess Silas and Elijah end up being better 3pt shooters than anyone in our starting 5 from last season, but that’s not saying much lol.

Especially if we add shooting to the 3 4 and 5 spot as well we would dominate with two guards who get downhill and create while also being solid 3pt shooters.

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Could be that last season and the 2020 season where we had limited perimeter shooters skewed those numbers. I guess it’s more anecdotal but I feel like from 2016-2018 where we ran B/M pretty heavily with a host of good shooters, the 3PA% would’ve been much higher. Might be dead wrong on that though.

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Lolz if nobody saw him play how would it be a triumph of tony evaluation? Much more likely to be closer to a tony late cycle international flyer fail.

It was probably relatively high compared to the rest of the country then but not as high as we see from teams now

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Canada has a toooon of players in major college basketball and nba. I think they deserve an exception to the international flyer trope

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Cause staff noticed him at an open gym. Also the common trend of “international flyer fail” (which is only Kody Stattmann I think and even then he was on a national title team and dealt with chronic health issues and injuries and was meant to be on a team where the projected stars didn’t transfer out or be a US fail) is lack of athleticism which is not missing from this kid lol.

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From 2014-18 it ranged from mid 200s up to low 300s nationally. But we were always very good at making the ones we did take (3/5 years in the top 50; 4/5 years in the top 100). Then the natty year and after, it flipped. We were in the 100s, and then in 20-21 (the Huff/Hauser/TM3 year), we were top 50. Then last year, back down to 340.

It’s been a low key yet major change in Tony’s approach.

Tangent - I wish KenPom had a button to compare to just high major, b/c this is a category where a lot of mid and low major teams have wacky strategies that skew the numbers.

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I’m not familiar with that particular Canadian unit of measure, eh, but a flyer is a flyer and if they’re from a different country I believe that makes them an international flyer.

Then it’s not a useful designation because Canada has a ton of talent. Maybe the use of “flyer” would be most appropriate.

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Igor and Taine (so far) say zdravo and g’day mate

Don’t think Taine’s a fail at all. When he played (Iowa, Syracuse) in opportunities where he got to play in rhythm rather than tossed in for garbage time, he looked solid.

regardless back to this thread. That Canadian is an athlete. Even if his shooting was off a game, he could contribute through his athleticism, something our typical international prospects cant

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taine wasn’t a flyer. he was a top 100 player who got a ton of power 5 interest.

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Going thru box scores, DeMary was 10-44 from 3 in 18 UAA games. 3.6 A: 2.1 TO

He’s really hard to guard though. People at top 100 camp said he might be the best 1 on 1 player in the country. And he guards the hell out of the ball.

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Final schools were Maryland, Stanford, UVA. Not a flyer at all.

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