Not Coachās point is it. They out played KenTork and still no bid
Ha I was just talking about us this year.
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Well, thereās this: 3 guys 50% or better from 3. IMac, Rohde, Ames.
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I hate that stupid trapezoid idea, just some arbitrary lines drawn on a chart with no real significance. The real main takeaway from that chart should be that Net Rating and Pace arenāt correlated with each other.
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We only hate the trapezoid bc we used to live in the trapezoid 
. Gone are the days of the trapezoid
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We were never in the trapezoid. Weāve been on the far left of the chart for the past 16 years.
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Yep. Its so stupid. You want to be high on the chart. Left or right doesnāt matter. The trapezoid is only predictive in that its high up the chart.
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Players posting the empty way arena before a game on IG: Imminent sign of a blowout.
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Iām not gonna praise the trapezoid, but I will say that pace is an input as well as an output.
If you want to change stuff, ya gotta change stuff. I still mostly think we have a personnel issue (without Warley and with only functional PG, we are not gonna be that good), so ignore the rest of thisā¦
We got signals that pace would go up pre-Tides Inn. Were those signals bull? Or is Ron just Tony but more stubborn?
(Tbh, Ronās Charlotte tenure is basically Tony but moreso and without the athletes necessary to run a decent defense).
I feel like thereās been this natural backlash in UVa internets to the idea that our pace is boring. Yknow, fair. But going slow isnāt a virtue either. Using it as a means to an end thatās not gonna be achieved is just like ā¦ I donāt knowā¦ no time like the present to go back to following the Yanks, Ron.
Ron, your boss is not around anymore. Live a little
Hey siri, can you explain how math works to @haney?
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Going off the last 4 full seasons (which is when I got bored of clicking through Torvik charts), pace is uncorrelated to net rating (or more precisely, Bartās version of the Pythagorean rating). Thereās even a slight negative relationship (more pace = worse team) in 2020-21 and 2021-2022. It has been true for the last two seasons that there is a slight positive relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, but that is offset by the negative relationship between pace and defensive efficiency.
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Thanks Siri
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I feel like we had this same dogpile on that trapezoid of excellence last season. Itās was a crock then, and itās still a crock. But hey, you donāt have to be right or even intelligent to get social media engagement so viewer beware.
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Are you guys arguing with someone who claimed that our offense would be better because we go faster? If so, say hey to that guy, because while I donāt necessarily agree with him, I respect his choice to take on some apparently still sacred cows
No, Iām arguing with you. Or, not arguing really, so much as shitposting in your general direction
Edit: that said, pace discussions rile me up because I think pace is basically irrelevant
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Thatās fine. Iām shitposting at Ron, to be fair.
Heās coaching this team like heās trying to suck up to Tony. He needs to try to coach to get the gig.
Iāve said this before, but Iām a non-pacist. Iām pace neutral. Tony changed me! But thereās a lingering idea that going slow is helping us achieve something. What?
Tbh, the commitment to only trying to score difficult baskets is the part I find more troubling. Look at Ronās teams. Itās like Tony would look at them and encourage him to live a little.
TLDR - they give out points for scoring points (not for other metrics)
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Better defense, specifically through better defensive rebounding. Itās not a prerequisite or anything, but the slower teams tend to be better at keeping opponents off the glass.
Why would Ron playing faster make him more likely to get the gig? He needs to win a bunch, which is pace-neutral.
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I think that when youāre coaching the slowest pace team in the country, and youāre a guy who needs to change a trajectory to have a shot at a job (at least he would, assuming a typical AD infrastructure), then you need to move some levers.
If I were Ron, Iād be trying some of the easier buckets levers. But heās not!
And two things - (1) yea, I had the same complaint about Tony when the game was apparently slipping through his fingers in the last few years (and I was right then, too). (2) ultimately it probably doesnāt matter because we donāt have good enough guards on this team, which has basically been our issue since Ty and Kyle left.
(Bonus #3 - of course pace is an input to recruiting, most of all, but I know this aspect wonāt matter for a whileā¦)
Our slow pace is most likely contributory to our history under TonRon of having above average to excellent defenses. This is my belief, anyhow.
Our above average to excellent defenses have absolutely been contributory to our slow pace. This is simply a fact.
So, should we increase our pace, which is by definition possessions/40 min, by allowing our opponents to score faster? Does that sound like a good idea to anybody?
I disagree with the assertion that he is not trying (on offense). I think he and his players are trying (just not hard enough for your taste) but failing. I think he will not and should not try to manipulate pace upwards by being worse at defense, though (even though he and his players are actually kinda succeeding in doing so).
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