We donāt really know how the seeding for them has changed from the committees perspectiveā¦
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Itās going to be entertaining on here when after the last couple of weeks of analyzing 1,000 different paths to 3 versus 4, we end up with a 3, then half of the board freaks out because the 4 we replaced on the 3 line has an easier path to the S16/E8.
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I suspect that (like with Lunardi), a lot of the bracketmatrix āmovementā over the last couple days is not due to conference tourney results but due to bracketologists sitting down and doing a real re-assessment of stuff they havenāt really looked at in a while.
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My solemn vow: I promise to freak out no matter what the outcome is
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Not directed at you, but itās just funny. Weāll play who we play. Sure we might prefer one matchup over another, but all these teams weāre talking about are good teams. Itās the NCAA tournamentā¦not the Holiday Cupcake Invitational.
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or we have to travel out west and the 4 seed would have been in Philly lol
I do think this will almost certainly happen
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Excellent point. I suspect every fan base looking at a top 5 or 6 seed is having these conversations. At most half of them will even make it to the Sweet 16 for it to matter
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That wouldnāt make any sense I donāt think? Arenāt seeds 1-4 given priority in order for first weekend? Meaning if weāre a 3 weād get Philly before whichever 4 would want it.
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I donāt totally understand the seeding-location system, but I thought as the last 3 seed we could theoretically get the furthest location compared to the first 4 seed.
But I genuinely donāt understand how it works. Itās too complicated for me.
for the record what Iām saying will almost certainly is weāll be unhappy with our path somehow if its a 3 (and also will if its a 4)
Iām mostly just looking forward to grinding tape later tonight on a 13/14 seed and convincing myself theyāre the Jordan-era Bulls. Or, even worse, 2019 Gardner Webb.
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2019 first half Gardner Webb.
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Itās in order of the protected seedsā preferred locations. Even if, for example, UConn was 15th and Florida was 16th and the remaining pods available were Tampa and Portland. UConn would get Tampa and Florida would have to go all the way to Portland
*Unless this changed in the last 2 years
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well, and the fact that no single statistic can capture every factor that should be taken into consideration.
It would be nice if the committee simplified the process. Some of this crap about Q1 and Q1A and Q1B and the weather on that day and altitude and the rest of it is just that, crap. But WAB does not capture everything (did you use a non-eligible player? Who is hurt? What is the trend line?), for which you do, in fact, need humans. Who arenāt going to be perfect, but neither is WAB or NET or RPI or Torvik or KenPom or Last 10 (which theyāve deprecated).
Iām in favor of streamlining the process, but not to the extent that we eliminate the human factor.
I think youāre correct. 9412 isnāt wrong, but heās not noting the different seed lines. They go by
preferred locations within each seed grouping by order. So the first 1 seed gets most preferred location, then the second 1 seed, etc..
Where it gets weird is the difference between ābottomā of the seed line and the ātopā of the next ā the fourth 3 seed and the first 4 seed, for example. The fourth 3 seed gets whatās left after the three in front of them (9/10/11 on the seed line) are in their preferred locations. The first four seed (13 on the line) gets their preferred location as a 4 seed. So it could be geographically better to be 13 on the line (first four seed) vs. 12 on the line (last three seed location). But Iād still rather be a 3 seed - less geographically ideal, but a ākinderā bracket. Usually.
IOW, Iād rather play a theoretically weaker team (sorry, dave) in Seattle than a theoretically tougher team in DC.
[Edited to add: Yep, this is wrong. This is the way they used to do it, and I think still they way they do it for regional, but with the mini-pods, not structured this way any more]
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I thought they also balanced out the aggregate strength of the 1 to 4 in each region, which means by the time youāre placing the 4s, thatās going to be the main driver of who goes where, not geographical preference. But also, counterpoint, I know nothing.
We know dude lol
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also regional location and what 1 or 2 seed is in your region only matters if you make the s16.
letās just get there first. actually playing an s16 game out west is infinitely better than hypothetically playing an s16 game close to home. I want the easiest possible 1st and 2nd round matchups.
I think thatās right, dave, I had forgotten about that. And youāre probably right that it will be a bigger driver than preferred location.
True enough!
But since this is the bracket thread, thatās why I was offering bracketing information.
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yeah fair enough. just saying for anyone thinking theyād rather be a 4 seed in the east than a 3 in the west. we still get our first 2 games on the east coast either way