It’s all about branding. If Armaan came to the Hoos and we were told he’s an athletic 2/3 who can get his own shot in the mid-range and a streaky 3-point shooter with potential everyone would be over the moon about him. Instead he came in with the image of being the next Kyle Guy (those are massive shoes to fill for most any player) and so he gets shit on as a player when he’s actually become a solid contributor and with a bit of seasoning could be a big time player.
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This is a very good point and had not thought about that. I said before when he was (obviously) struggling from 3 I would have told him to not work on that facet, focus on the mid to longish range, but take open 3s in game to add to his game offensively
He also got grabbed and pushed all over the court away from the ball vs FSU and played through it all nicely. Even hit the game winner… wait
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Have a hard time thinking he won’t improve his 3 ball after a full offseason as a Hoo. He’s a smart player, some small tweaks will likely get made to his jumper. (Someone get him in touch with Altizer!)
He’s a 2 guard … will he improve to where a 2 guard at UVA needs to be?
That’s 40% from 3 at minimum.
Our offense generates open jumpers. It’s a jump shooting offense.
37% would be ok for Gardner. Might be ok for Reece on the type of volume he may get next year at PG.
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Is 40 percent really the expected % for a 2 guard now? 40 sounds high to me. Always remember rule of thumb that 33 from 3 is same as 50 from 2… or some shit
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Joe was 40% for his career at UVA, on about 5 per game. So i think we can live with high 30s… it comes down to what shots Armaan is taking. If it’s identical to his shot selection THIS Year, yeah i’d think 40%. he has gotten a lot of open, rhythm looks and struggled to knock them down consistently.
If he’s taking at least 5 per game, 37% is solid as i assume some will be a higher degree of difficultly.
whatever his percentage, feel like it just needs to “feel” different where he has more gravity… which i think will come from him at least starting higher and shooting above 50% on the REALLY good looks.
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Agree 40 feels high and entering elite territory or sniper territory. Which Armaans ability to put the ball on the ground and sink off the dribble. I think the Hoos can realistically live with a 35%ish level assumint that will bring the D out and keep them honest-- opening up spots in the middle for Jayden and Co. And creating more dribble drive opportunities for Armaan.
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but to the point, i think for us to have high end success, we NEED an “elite/sniper” type player. so agreed completely, Armaan’s game is great anywhere above 35%. but hopefully we are getting enough minutes of other guys who are that type of shooter (somewhere close to at least Joe, if not Kyle).
If it’s just Armaan making improvement, Reece making some improvement, but nobody that is pulling help defenders as they curl off screens with defenses scared to even give them a foot of space, that limits the rest of the offense.
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I guess it just depends on how good you want the team to be?
Baylor just won it all last year with 5 of their 8 rotation guys at 39.5%, 39.5%, 41.6%, 43.4%, and 44.7%.
Their 9th and 10th man shot 36.4% and 50% from 3.
We won it all with 4 guys at 40% or better and Clark was 34% on only 2 attempts per game.
Texas Tech that year had one dude at 46% and others at 45%, 40% and 39%.
Why is Baylor still good? Part of it is their 2 highest volume shooters are at 47% and 41%.
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Damn those are real percentages. Had no idea
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For sure and I think that’s where volume and willingness to shoot become important. Armaan shooting 40% on 4 attempts a game while passing up open looks is not going to pull the defense the same way as a 37% shooter who is gunning. Need to be skilled enough to hit the shot, but ballsy enough to take it without hesitation.
Edit: Cavoite if Jayden shot at that clip 40% on 4 or 5 attempts then you got something because he’s pulling a guy out into space who does not want to be in the deep waters.
Casey Morsell shot 36.8% from three this year. But his overall shooting percentage still dropped from the previous year.
So guess we’re really adept at improving mid-range shots but missing something from three?
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Damn didn’t realize Malcolm Brogdon didn’t meet the minimum requirements to play shooting guard at UVA. Someone should alert whichever fool mistakenly retired his number.
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Kyle was at 42% in his 3rd year and over his career. Below 40% his 2nd year. And this was at the old shorter 3 point line.
Making 40% a requirement seems like a high bar to clear. There’s exactly 40 qualified guys in DI at or above 40%. 9/40 play in power conferences. 4/40 are Freshmen and 5/40 are Sophomores in any conference. 1/40 are Fr/So in power conferences.
5’10” PG Nijel Pack of KState (and Kyle Guy’s HS). Ranked 123 in the 247 composite. #22 ranked PG (Reece was #12).
So expecting any of our Freshmen or Sophomores to come in and do that is likely setting you up for disappointment.
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I guess we can disagree …this is 2022 … a 37% gunner is not good for any team that wants to be a Sweet 16 or better caliber team.
Caleb Love is the definition of a gunner this year and he’s still at 38.4% - and he takes a ton of really bad shots.
For me 37% should be at the very least - your 4th best shooter and should not be anywhere near the team lead in attempts.
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No guessing we disagree. But I also have no interest in diving through piles of data to debate 2% points to prove a point.
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We don’t NEED any one guy to be over 40%. What we need is multiple guys who are at or around 40%. Armaan can be a key piece of the rotation on a very good team if one of several things happens:
- He gets near 40% from 3 (at volume - 100 or so or above)
- Two other guys get at or near 40% from 3 (at volume)
- He’s good enough at other things that his TS% is still where we’d need it to be (this is the most unlikely, but worth mentioning)
Tangent - this reminds me of what I have disliked about the discourse around this year’s team. Too often we focus on individuals, when the issue is not any one of our three guards individually (five if you include wings, and throw in Statts and Malachi), but that collectively they are not good at shooting and scoring.
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You just nailed the point I was circling. It’s about what you create from the collective.
The 20/21 team had better shooters etc with Trey Sam and Jay but because the pieces didn’t fit well together as a collective you ended up in relatively the same place.
It’s also the danger when you reduce players to numbers and metrics.
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You know no one between say 34 and 40 percent at semi high attempt rate is guarded differently right?
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I play an additional 3-4 steps back on a 35% shooter v. a 37.2%
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