💰 Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) Discussion

It’s beginning to imitate the world soccer system in many ways, now including transfer fees paid to the old team.

If I were representing the athletes, I’d say that if the buyout money is counted against the acquiring school, but not added to the pool limit for the originating school, it’s taking money out of the system for legal payments to athletes.

I do understand the counterargument that money is fungible and that the NIL pool is an upper limit, not a minimum spend requirement, so the money doesn’t have to be spent that way, so maybe it doesn’t matter.

I think it would matter to a school like Virginia that likes to adhere to the rules, even if it puts itself at a disadvantage. If we have 20.5 mil to spend, we’ll stick to that, but if we have 20.5 mil plus whatever we would’ve gotten for Fields and maybe a couple other football players plus the entire basketball team plus most of the baseball team, we’ll spend up to that higher amount.

I don’t see it. The athlete is getting something of value: the ability to transfer (and break the initial contract), and presumably more $$. The receiving school is getting something of value: a kid they want to play for them. The sending school gets the extra $$ and the freed up rev share.

I don’t see the argument for letting the initial school be able to spend the extra $$ as rev share above the cap. And practically, in the likely case where this is a kid moving up a level or so, then the sending school is probably not at or near the cap anyway.

Sharper point: It’s not taking $$ out of the system; it’s allowing some of the $$ to go towards something else the athlete finds of value (mobility).

Haven’t listened yet, but this just popped up in my feed:

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https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1936111320467710400

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Ooh, this one seems really messy, looking forward to it.

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A couple immediate thoughts:

This lawsuit will be removed to federal court almost immediately. No way Miami’s going to keep this in Wisconsin state court.

I wonder how non-compete clauses in NIL contracts will hold up under Federal or Wisconsin law. The Biden FTC pretty much banned them, but some state sued them to stop it and that was unresolved at the time of Presidential shift.

If it were a state school doing this instead of Miami, could Wisconsin even sue or would they be preempted by sovereign immunity? Or would it be considered a dispute between states where the US Supreme Court has Original Jurisdiction and would act as the trial court in the matter?

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Gonna move the Big League Advantage/Advance Fund discussion here, since it’s NIL-adjacent (they are getting into the NIL game/got out of the NIL game because they had a high-ish profile lawsuit filed by a football player they paid money to; How Big League Advantage courts a cut of athletes’ paydays - The Washington Post):

I agree with the last point around how informed the decision being key for judging how predatory their practices are. I read that at least 50% of their investment/loan/not-loan-payment deals are with athletes from Latin American countries and the economic situations in some of those countries bring up questions for me about vulnerability of the athletes, especially at the young ages where these deals are being signed.

(Also, somewhat tangentially, the quotes Schwimer made in that WaPo story give me the ick)

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A typically legible description of what the legal grey area is here:

One more technical point. Nobody bought your stock, because you are not a company and you don’t have stock. But somebody did give you money, and you signed a contract promising to give them money later. What was that money, if not an equity investment? What would you call that contract? Your first instinct might be to call it a “loan.” It is an unusual loan — instead of paying back a fixed amount with interest, you agree to pay back an amount that varies depending on your future income and that could be zero — but I don’t think it is crazy to characterize it as a loan.

This is a problem, because there are consumer-protection rules requiring disclosure of loan terms, and many states have usury laws capping the interest rate on loans. If you get $500,000 from an investor for 10% of your future earnings, and then end up making $500 million and owing $50 million to the investor, that is going to work out to an annualized return that is way way way higher than the usury cap. And the investor will say “no, see, I was taking equity-like risk on a portfolio of athletes, and this was the only one that worked out, and it’s not a fixed rate of return at all.” But you might say “nope, technically a loan, you can’t charge me more than 16%.” And this can work: We talk from time to time around here about transactions that are characterized as roughly equity purchases, but that then get recharacterized as loans and subject to usury rate caps.

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For tax purposes, you often have the opposite issue. Something a taxpayer considers a loan is recharacterized by a taxing authority as an equity investment.

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Haven’t read it yet. Seen some tweets. Seems to show that there was an indeed a pre-House tsunami of old school NIL.

I’ve read it. Not really worth it, IMO.

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About the expected amount of talking their book for this sort of thing.

I am idiosyncratically interested in their “Performance Output Score” which is some in-house impact metric for basketball that they made for…reasons? And then I saw they unnecessarily chopped up a continuous variable into a categorical variable

angry work GIF

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https://x.com/slmandel/status/1942962231387525558?s=46

Completely unpredictable outcome. A shame really. Welp, we tried. Back the money trucks up again.

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The underlying article is worth a read and has a slightly different vibe than the “durr-ur-err, I don’t know what this means” vibe from the football coaches.

Eg, I didn’t realize Kessler still has a pretty robust ongoing role:

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To me, these things are more notable than football coaches pulling their “aw shucks I’m just a dummy” routine for the millionth time, which Dellenger chose as his headline:


Huh. I guess this isn’t surprising, but this seems like a bad contract to sign!

Dillingham said he’s seen contracts that also permit schools to end or reduce a player’s salary over the course of the deal, something reported earlier this spring by Yahoo Sports via Illinois law professor Michael Leroy, who uncovered more than 90 different player contracts through open-records requests.

“These NIL contracts read like employee handbooks that reserve a right of employment at will for employers,” he said. “They don’t use ‘at will’ but the concept is, they can terminate the contract.”

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Not sure if this report has been shared yet, but it sounds like FSU has some eye-brow raising clauses slid into their revenue sharing contracts.

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Woah.

This is absurd:

"[school] shall have, until the end of Student-Athlete’s NCAA eligibility, dependent, successive options to extend the Term under the same terms and conditions as the existing Term, unless the Parties mutually agree in writing to a change in such terms and conditions, for additional periods of one year by providing written notice of such extension (e-mail is sufficient) to Student- Athlete no later than twenty (20) days prior to the expiration of the then-current Term of the Agreement. Under such an extension option, the Total Compensation payable to Student-Athlete for the one-year extension period shall be a pro rata, annualized portion of the compensation set for the initial term.

So basically, team options to extend at the current rate.

Yes. Except in the NBA, team options can only happen once during a given contract. Here FSU could sign a HS recruit to a cheapo contract and just extend indefinitely.

I guess the question is whether the player can “opt out” by entering the transfer portal, or whether this language precludes that if the team wants to keep the player.

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