Are they students? Yes. Are they athletes? Yes. Then theyāre student athletes. Theyāre compensated student athletes. A decade ago they were compensated with scholarships, also meals, tutors, lodging, etc, in exchange for performing a service. Just now thereās money on top of it.
Dickās got a lot of goodwill. But he still needs to get with the times.
Tutors. They was key
Real contracts would solve a lot of problems in this situation.
But thatāll never happen, soā¦
Give me 200k and Ill find my own math tutor
At some schools, they probably are. At other schools, they probably are not.
As much as I think the kids should get paid, Dickās not wrong here. Itās pro sports ā without contracts or a salary cap, or with players nearly as accomplished - but itās pro sports. With a side of classes. For some kids.
The schools that are letting high profile athletes effectively ignore academic requirements are the same schools that were passing through star athletes on no-show paper classes a decade ago. The inconsistent academic standards are no more a concern today than they were when the Gooch Report was published.
I think itās sorta sustainable because none of this will hurt fan interest in football. Different fan culture surrounding that sport than others. And since football brings in the money, itāll keep trickling down.
Same time, I completely expect CBB to slowly drift more into a fringe following. Fans hate this so much. And itās already an older fanbase, so itās not being replenished. The NCAA Tournament is the savior, thatāll always be super popular. The regular season, different story.
Would love to hear what a younger (in college or incoming) fans perspective of this is. I donāt mind the paying guys but I donāt consider these guys fellow UVA students expect maybe the incoming 1st years and Gertrude. The amount of money also raises my expectations. Thereās not really an option to tank so if we arenāt winning titles with a purchased team, makes me less accepting as a fan since I know we have to go rebuy those same guys or hope to purchase new ones.
At least in the NBA I have trades and drafts to keep me hopeful in down years. Maybe I should lower my expectations but buying a team feels very different than making sure your guys get a chance to market themselves and have a cut of what theyāve earned the university.
I donāt count as young anymore, but I just donāt understand this line of thinking. How does above-the-table money change anything? They were getting money before, it was just all rumors.
These guys were never āregularā UVA students. They got into the University largely because of their skills and abilities on the basketball court. Yes, they may be good students once on Grounds, but itās not like CTB was asking Brogdon his thoughts on Hamlet when he was recruiting him. Ty Jerome didnāt have to explain trigonometry to get in.
But they definitely are part of the UVa community. Arguably, they are a bigger part of the community than āregularā students. I know no one from the English department remembers the essays I wrote from 2003-2007. People remember what JR Reynolds did at U Hall and JPJ during that same time frame.
Money doesnāt change the fact that these kids are different, it just gives us a reason to justify that we view them differently.
I mean thereās more to bring to a school than just academics so I agree there but I disagree with a bunch of under the table money happening at UVA. Also when I say students maybe a better word would have been community member.
I think thereās something to player retention year after year and growing to love a class of players. Like people loved Brogdon, JA, Jerome, Guy, and plenty of others over years of knowing them through ups and downs. Dai Dai Ames had a solid season and in a few years no one will remember that he played for UVA or care about him here because it was a business transaction.
Exploiting their talent and not paying the guys was wrong but as a fan, just feels like itās headed towards a watered down NBA instead of the in between.
TJ Power is a perfect example of why I donāt love where things are currently at. 5 star guy trying to figure it out but because heās getting paid just south of a mil, fans really wanted to see him gone. 2010ās it would have been chalked up a rough season and hope he can bounce back better next year.
We will see. I think it will hurt fan interest in all sports, even in football, outside of the few super schools.
This is just my guess, but what I think we will see is a temporary rise in interest in college football as the CFP expands, and then a gradual decline as fans are less invested in continually changing teams and players competing in a sport that is not nearly as good as its professional equivalent.
College Football has always been not as good as the pros (though I admit some 'Bama teams probably could have beaten the Browns some years), but fans had the attachment to the school to keep them interested despite it being minor league. As those school attachments erode, I think more and more fans will find other things to do and the people who broke the model will wonder what happened.
and even if it was only in my mind, I felt some emotional connection as a fan, when I lived and died with each win and loss. Now yes itās better to win, but the one year rental for $1.5mil is just unrelatable. Win or lose, heāll still get paid better than I ever did (yes even with a UVA degree). As was said, I miss seeing the guys grow for 3 maybe 4 years.
I have no ethical problem with the players getting paid, but that doesnāt mean that I have to like the resulting fan experience.
Bottom line though: Iām still here at LRA but wondering if I still want to pay the $ to keep my upper deck seats?
Fascinating implication by NC gov to give UNC and NC State more money ($11.5M) from gambling tax revenue (in return for agreeing to play more games against in-state teams) ā¦ A good injection for NIL
State legislatures getting into the business of non-conference scheduling is not something I would have expected, lol. I guess your average state rep/senator is a huge ole college sports fan though.
Iād be surprised if those teams werenāt already at the revenue sharing cap in terms of capacity, but, sure, it probably frees up some funds that otherwise would have to be shifted I guess.
If you really want to make your head hurt, apparently House will conflict with some state laws.
I think Wilken said something like āwell NCAA is a voluntary membership organization, right?ā, so basically chaos likely unless/until Congress actsā¦ and makes everything perfect.
Yeah, thatās the only way any of this stuff gets settled. Even if she approves the settlement, thatās more about backpay stuff (so leagues donāt have to go and pay unreal amounts of money). Everything else that gets approved will be challenged in court. Only codifying everything will fix it.
From what I read of the hearing, sheās reticent to affect all athletes for ten years, though maybe that just had something to do with the period. Maybe there will be some sort of re-upping periodically?
I donāt really follow. Youāll have to listen to @AnonymooseHoo ās podcast with G-Aldy in Remedies. Fascinating stuff
Oops - forgot - so yeah, the back pay is an important part
Someone get me on the pod with Aldrich to talk about remedies. Iām all in.
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