Youāve never seen an open run at UVA I gather
lol ā¦ I also played summer runs with a bunch of pros and semi pros back in the day.
Corey Blount for example who played for the Chicago Bulls and hardly ever took a shot outside 10 feetā¦. In our gym made 28 straight threes when the lights werenāt on and he was allowed to because there was no coach.
Weāve been saying P4 for a couple years I thought. B12, B1G, SEC, ACC
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In football it was always P5 (your 4 + P12). But I (and others) said P6 for hoops (+ Big East).
Now I just get confused.
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Oh I think youāre very wrong on that. OSU basketball is like Texas lite. Nobody gives a fuck about you compared to football. They may have money, but who have they hired after lucking into Matta? No one. They arenāt a great job imo.
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The Pac-12 died the same day Bill Walton did.
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I wonder what some of this money stuff will look like in CBB when some of these basketball schools can just spend all their allowance on basketball. We might have a renaissance of northeast basketball since they donāt have real Football teams siphoning off all the cash.
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I donāt have a big opinion about it either way, so Iām not going to vigorously debate this point or anything. Iāll just leave the opinion of some analysts in the industry here.
8th according to Sam Vecenie and Matt Pennie of the Athletic. https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/s/YqRbL1B4fa
Tied for 9th according to Seth Davisās survey of 60 coaches on the Athletic. Whatās the top coaching job in menās college basketball? A clear top five starts with Kentucky - The Athletic
Not in the top 15 according to Matt Norlander and Gary Parrish of CBS. College basketball rankings: UNC, Kansas headline CBS Sports' top 15 jobs
Tier 2 according to JBRBracketology
12 according to CBKReport, whoever that is.
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Year before he arrived Butler was 14-17 (4-14, 9th in BE) in their first year in the Big East.
Holtmannās 3 years at Butler
2015
23-11
12-6, 2nd in BE
6 seed, lost in 2nd round to 3 seed Notre Dame
2016
22-11
10-8, T-4th in BE
9 seed, lost in 2nd round to 1 seed Virginia
2017
25-9
12-6, 2nd in BE
4 seed, lost in Sweet 16 to eventual champion 1 seed North Carolina
Looking at the hire based on the fact the guy was let go is one thing, but Holtmann was a great hire by Ohio St. at the time. Would you take a candidate with those results for Virginia next year? I would, and so would nearly every school with an opening.
Diebler winning a bunch of games at the end of the season hamstrung Ohio St. into hiring him. Obviously, the jury is still out on Diebler, but I agree, not an overly impressive hire when it happened, even though he had some good results at the end of last season. If they didnāt hire him, Iām certain they wouldāve been able to hire a very good coach.
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Iāve followed Big 10 basketball for the past 30 years, and I can say without a doubt that Penn St. is by far the worst job in the conference of the pre realignment schools. Northwestern is probably next followed by Minnesota.
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I honestly donāt think people know what theyāre saying when they talk about what constitutes a āgood job.ā If IU is such a great job, why were their last two coaches Archie Miller and Mike Woodson? Tony Bennett turned down two jobs that are supposedly better than UVA. Shaka left Texas for Marquette. I think these lists are more about which jobs seem like they *should * be the best jobs in a vacuum yet the top coaches steer clear. Iāll admit Iām exaggerating a bit about OSU, itās a good job. But if weāre hiring head to head vs. OSU, I would feel very confident about our chances.
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Schools like Indiana and OSU have a lot more money now though as well. Itās open season with their football and TV contract money advantage now. (they just spent the money on the wrong people, which is why coaching and talent evaluation and roster building/pieces fitting together is still important)
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Shaka was getting out of town before the posse caught up with him. His tenure at Texas did not go well.
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Ohio State is a great MBB jobā¦but also one where a coach has to resign himself to a distant second place to football. Most of the best coaches have giant egos, though, and thus arenāt that interested in jobs like OSU.
UVA is a much better job than those lists reflect (top 20 at minimum, and would be top 10 if not for risk in the ACC structure). Any coach who comes here knows that they will be the top dog at UVA. Menās hoops is our #1 sport and will be going forward. We have a rich history of success (including many current NBA players), have deep pockets, and have strong facilities and location. This is a really compelling job opportunity. Shaka come take it.
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I was at that game - it took the Hoos playing their all time best half of offensive basketball under Tony to beat Butler that dayā¦. Also the defensive player of the year shut down their dude in the post who was unstoppable all game before that - I think he had 22 the first 24 minutesā¦.
For me that was the most complete half by the Hoos in a high stakes game Iāve ever seen live.
54-44 in the 2nd half - so good!!
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No joke- 500k! Real money
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Three things:
(1) The basketball-onlys donāt have the money because bigTV contracts are football-based.
(2) But this is the helpful part ā revenue-sharing and NIL must comply with Title IX, which offsets (1) for the non-football schools.
(3) The Title IX-compliance thing will just bring in the untraceable booster dark money again.
FWIW I think the new administration will have a different view on the Title IX thing.
Only matters what the courts think. Itās settled law.
Love the Hoos and love UVA, we are not a top 10 job, probably not a top 20 job. The potential is there, but reality is not. TB is all time but heās one in a million the way he operates, we were (an excellent, championship caliber) Wisconsin East under TB. In my opinion, he didnāt do anything that leveraged Virginia being Virginia outside of some guys who valued academics likely choosing UVA over equal or lesser basketball opportunities
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