Timing - we played Nova before they got a little better and they kept going under every screen giving up open threes - the only shot we are really good at. 14/25 on threes that game and mostly wide open.
Then we played Pitt when they were playing like a #200 team - only win this month vs Miami.
They at least have been competitive in losses to Ville, UNC, Clemson and Wake which has propped up their rating.
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So Dave what youâre acknowledging is that actually those teams were close to their ranking when we beat them. My man we get it you donât like Virginia basketball
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Now apply this argument to the Hoos. In February weâve been a top 35 team according to Torvi (this accounts for quality of opponent)
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Nothing Dave loves more than caveating any UVA basketball praise. And this wasnât even praise haha
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In February weâve been a top 35 team
We havenât beaten anybody, though. I feel like we need to see some sort of marquee, hang-your-hat-on-it win if we want to seriously consider keeping Ron. Not sure beating UNC or Clemson is good enough, might need to beat them both.
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Iâm not advocating for Ron, Iâm telling you what the efficiency rankings say. If you have issues with Torvikâs approach, you can point those out. But we are playing well in February. Other 4 game stretches of the season weâve played like shit.
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lol - sure put words in mouths if thatâs what you likeâŚ. We have opportunities to beat a good opponent the next 3 gamesâŚ. Letâs do it Hoos!!!
And you can pretend all you want that you remember the last season our best win was against the #51 NET team in the country⌠more power to your memory skills.
Iâm a fan of quality playing and coaching⌠the way Ron talked about Robinson in the post game tells me all I need to know about his level of coaching.
Fresh start is needed.
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I found an article on Yung Pitino that talks about what heâs been doing well:
They play fast:
Like his father, Richard wants his teams to play fast and Dent is New Mexicoâs engine. The Lobos have ranked in the top 25 in adjusted tempo every season under Pitino, according to KenPom. This year, they are fourth. Dent has been handed the keys to the offense and he has taken full advantage.
The positive take on this is that they have freedom. The negative take is that they donât have offensive creativity (editorâs note - my cursory watch of their highlights would suggest that their offense is a pretty standard 4-out 1-in high ball screen offense; basically they just let Dent go off a screen as much as possible):
Pitinoâs offensive system is more conceptual than rigid. The players are afforded a lot of freedom to take whatever the defense gives them. A major reason that Dent, Noland and many others have excelled at UNM is because Pitino instills confidence in them to make plays. âThe biggest thing about Coach Pitino is the trust that he has in his players,â says Noland, who played at Oklahoma and North Texas before transferring to New Mexico this past off-season. âYou always want to play for a coach that has confidence in you and has trust in you. Ultimately, that makes the players play better.â
Boo, per-game stats (the tempo-adjusted stats are also positive on their turnover forcing and defensive rebounding):
As Pitino-led teams tend to do, the Lobos are forcing a lot of turnovers, which helps them get out in transition. They average 9.0 steals per game, led by Washingtonâs 2.0, and 16.9 fastbreak points (sixth in the U.S.). They have also been elite on the glass, despite losing Toppin.
Also learned that they almost had Tonje before he decided to decommit to go to Wisconsin. They would have been elite with him to go with Dent on their offense.
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Doesnât matter.
He. Has. Never. Made. An. NCAAT. His. First. Year. At. A. D1. Stop.
In fact, heâs taken two tournament teams to the NIT his first year. Yes, both Craig Smith and Mike Rhoades left him NCAA teams and talent (Ashworth, Lawal, Zeb, etc.), and he still couldnât get there his first year.
Sorry, man, donât see it.
Letâs go after a good coach, not a 51-year-old with one NCAAT win whoâs had plenty to work with at his current and previous gig.
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Come on man - there are actually people here talking about our efficiency lately against Tech twice, BC, Miami, ND, Ga Tech, and Pitt. - none of whom have a winning record in a terrible ACC⌠so all Iâm saying is how can anyone tell if we are better or just playing against teams who donât play very well?
Maybe because we are winning most of them instead of losing to Cal and Stanford and ND in the all academic round robin?
And yes the officiating in those Bay Area games was atrocious. The officiating last night was very one sided in the first half as well - just based on the 2 goaltends and egregious Brown travel not called - should have been a 6 point game at halftime.
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I am in the camp of move on.
But no one really expected us to win this game, I did expect it to be competitive, but was probably silly for that.
Rons future comes down to the next 5 games. Go 3-2 it could go either way, esp with a win or two in the ACC tournament. 4-1 he probably gets the job. 2-3 I think he is out barring a miracle ACC tournament run.
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Just curious -
Would yall rather if you had to pick one:
- Beat UNC in Chapel Hill
- Beat Clemson at home
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The answer is always beat Carolina.
itâs 365
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Jerrod Calhoun is analytics-friendly:
Ooh, heâs a Twitter Xs-and-Os sicko (complimentary):
Late one summer night in 2021, YSU menâs basketball coach Jerrod Calhoun was looking at ball screen coverage on Twitter, and came across an analytical breakdown from Eric Fawcett, a high school basketball coach in Edmonton, Alberta, who also covers the Florida Gators online.
Stats! (The guy quoted here works for an analytics service Calhoun hired):
âWeâre talking a lot of postgame reports, weâre talking about full-season box scores that we send bi-weekly thatâs going to give them a snapshot about how theyâre playing, how theyâre trending in conference and how theyâre trending overall,â said Steinberg, who played college basketball at Division II Illinois-Springfield and served as a graduate assistant at Division I SMU.
Steinberg also watches YSUâs games âabout 90 percent of the timeâ and will jot notes as the game progresses. After the game, the postgame report â called an HD Box Score â is fully automated and is quickly sent to the coaching staff to break down after a game. In the meantime, Steinberg will write out some comments from his observations and the numbers âto try to tie it all together.â
Curious about what goes into the grade:
Outside of the season, HDI provides a transfer database for coaches to use as they parse through the portal â something the YSU staff has made an emphasis of in recent years.
The database contains every Division I player, whether theyâre in the portal or not, and has a rating scale similar to what youâd find in a video game like Madden or NBA 2K. Players are graded from 1-99, though the upper 40s is about the lowest a rating goes, Steinberg explained.
Coaches can apply filters in the database ranging from how a player has trended over his or her collegiate career to the individual skill sets a player has. HDI also offers a service to perform a âdeep diveâ on a player to get an in-depth look when programs like YSU identify a player in which theyâre interested.
The guy Fawcett referenced here is working for them as basically an contract scout of some sort. I am amused that they were like âwe can beat NDâ:
Fawcett also has a model by which he can optimize YSUâs nonconference schedule for maximum success â an area on which Calhoun puts a premium, Fawcett said.
For example, it helped Fawcett and the coaching staff determine that Notre Dame was a team with which the Penguins could compete. YSU took the Fighting Irish to the wire in what ultimately was an 88-81 loss on Nov. 13.
The whole âImplementing the Dataâ section is worth a read, but I loved this quote from Calhoun:
âA lot of coaches would throw a ton of numbers out there and be very wordy, but thatâs kind of not the point of the analytics,â Calhoun said. âI think coaches need to understand the numbers more, but you have to have three or four things you can bring to your team. ⌠Weâve got to be able to make them understand it. If you canât get your players to understand it, then itâs not going to work.â
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One thing Iâve always wondered/worried about when mid-majors guys move up is recruiting (HS or portal frankly). Itâs such a different motion to go to a game and figure out either 1) the diamond in the rough 1-2star that should have been a 4 star (vs. the 3-4 star that should have been a 5 star) 3) how the 3rd best player on a good HS team translates that wasnât featured in the game you went to because his team had 2 P5 recruits ahead of him. Vs. scouting the very best players. And different in the world of NIL in terms of what you can offer and the alternatives of what your targets can get elsewhere. Clearly a bunch make the leap, but others donât. Itâs the risky bit of the mid-major hire.
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Yeah but in theory the best mid-major coaches should be really good evaluators. Itâs kind of why I liked Tony Elliott hiring guys with service academy and/or HBCU backgrounds. In those environments, you cannot survive if youâre not really good at evaluating kids. Thatâs compared to P5 assistants whose skillsets are largely comparable to traveling salesmen, at least as it relates to recruiting.
The bigger concern is whether the mid-major guys can be good closers, winning tough recruitments against peers.
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Thatâs the issue with Mid Majors. One thing to identify diamond in the roughs but at some point you need to close and pull in talent if you want to win at the major level and thatâs a different game.
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At the same time, you want a guy who doesnât just fall in love with the recruiting stature heâs given at a P5, and still wants to find glue guys to develop over 4 years. Shaka at Texas, after years of over-achieving with 3-stars at VCU, fell in love with his access to Top 50 players and could never build the same kind of chemistry and identity his VCU teams always had. Got it figured out at Marquette tho.
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After careful consideration, conversations with my family, and Monday night at the Tides Inn, I have decided to resign as president of the RIB movement. No questions at this time. Please respect my decision.
Mr. E. Recruit
Knower of ball
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Agree itâs about finding a mix. Knowing when to empty the chamber and land the 4/5 star and stay on the grind to pull the off radar 3s that can be blue guys and develop into 4s or 5s.
Virginia is the type of program that needs a healthy mix of both to be successful.
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