šŸ™„ No Holds Barred Thread - A Haney/DavetheWave Production

I didnā€™t think you were serious lol just thought your jokes are usually more funny :wink:

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Gotta work through the bad ones to get to the good ones. :wink:

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Iā€™ve been rocking my George Gervinā€™s and bumping Chubby Checkers on the phonogram like thereā€™s no tomorrow. Whatcha know about that?

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Looks just like Crotty

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Breakin ankles

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(trying not to annoy anyone who hates RS discussions, so I will put this here)

My issue with it is ā€“ and not that I necessarily need to hear this in a presser ā€“ is that I donā€™t hear the other side. Heā€™s bringing up the PT and the obvious issue that itā€™s hard to find time for 12-13 guys. Yup, of course. But it still leaves open the obvious follow-up question: okay, so why is 0 MPG a better option than ~5 MPG during a few of the cupcakes? And the only answer that I think makes sense is if you see a tradeoff in that 5th year. And, w/r/t the 5th year, my view is that none of us are particularly good at predicting the future and 5 years is a long way away.

I actually think PT is sort of a bad reason for giving the RS; I think necessary physical or hoops development to be able to play oneā€™s position in college is a good reason, but I donā€™t see that case for anyone on our team. Everyone on this team, from what I can see, seems to be ready to make contributions at the ACC level.

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Also, probably an obvious implication, but I think we should be very careful about RSing anyone who has NBA early entry upside. Especially since that obviates most of the benefit of the RS.

Bond and Dunn both have NBA early entry upside. Note: upside, not ā€œthey will be drafted early.ā€ Thereā€™s a significant chance one or both wonā€™t even become good ACC players (thatā€™s the downside).

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I thought everyone has NBA early entry possibility at this point

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How about - we shouldnā€™t redshirt US-bred recruits with the measurables that NBA teams are currently looking for in the first round of the draft.

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That one is fair. I disagree that Bond is gonna be a sub 4 year NBA possibility but thats proly cause I am selfish and want him for 5This text will be blurred years

Edit: the fuk did I so there

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I really wanted the blurred part to be 5 fucking years. :joy:

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Onviously was my intention. Calling IT now

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Sigh. I will bite. A) the staff recognizes the somewhat obvious value to both parties in the trade off between minimal first year minutes and meaningful 5th year contribution minutes, and has plenty of data to back up its position. While it is true that the value of the fifth year is uncertain, all evidence supports the contention that it will be greater than the value of the first year and then you have the embedded option value of the fifth year being really significant. the value of the first year is much easier to predict, and it is obviously low, and therefore the cost is low, especially if at the end of the 5 years the player didnā€™t turn out to develop into a meaningful contributor. B) he said fairly clearly he presents the RS candidates with the option to choose, based on various scenarios of potential minutes as best as he can predict them. i donā€™t know what else you expect him to do. I get that you donā€™t like the redshirt. Your wrong position is well established, so is it your desire that Tony just not even present the option of redshirting? If so, thatā€™s a fine opinion to hold, but belaboring the issue so much is kind of pointless, because he isnā€™t changing. Iā€™d hope youā€™d be more pleased that the young guys have the option, so maybe youā€™ll get your wish in seeing those minimal cupcake minutes this year. Unfortunately, those seem to be the guys that end up transferring.

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The NCAA could put this question completely to rest by doing the Obviously Correct Thing and changing RS eligibility to allow for a games/minutes cap. What difference does it make whether the freshman sits out entirely or plays 17 minutes of garbage time over the course of the season? It makes no sense. Especially given the new transfer rules, which have largely blown up the old ā€œstay here and develop for 4-5 yearsā€ model in which redshirting kinda made some sense.

(Itā€™s worth noting that everyone got to ā€œredshirtā€ the covid year despite having played a full This text will be blurred season.)

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I agree the rule should change.

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but how will Bond motivate transferring to Marquette next year if he doesnā€™t redshirt this year?

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Basically, yes. I donā€™t want him to present the option. Presenting the option isnā€™t a value neutral option in this case.

Not for me, I enjoy it.

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Good or bad*, I think the redshirt option will be presented a lot less, at UVA and everywhere. Remember Tony saying heā€™s shifting to a 2-year time horizon? Iā€™m sure heā€™s not alone. And in that case, there is no program benefit to a redshirt, since thatā€™s 4 years from now. Who knows if youā€™re even still here by then, kid. Plus weā€™re worried youā€™re gonna transfer so letā€™s burn your eligibility on some garbage PT so youā€™ll stay. The new incentives for coaches all point to discouraging redshirts.

*I think itā€™s bad. But again, the biggest problem is the rule is stupid to begin with.

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Hasnā€™t football initiated something like this? Thereā€™s a 4 game/snap count I believe. Not sure why basketball couldnā€™t do something similar.

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Yea I would be fine doing something similar to what football does. Besides we might find out someone is more ready than we thought. I can envision times when Bond would be our best choice to guard a certain player at certain times

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