🙄 No Holds Barred Thread - A Haney/DavetheWave Production

[jazznutUVA]

@buzby

May need Jazz to spin us up a thread.

We had a podcast thread back in the day.

[HooDat]

Til you closed it

Edit: nope it was HGN this time

[jazznutUVA]

@HooDat

you closed it

Edit: nope it was HGN this time

[DavetheWave]

As a Dodgers and Liverpool fan the last 24 hours…. Whew… Kershaw gets 3000 strikeouts and then the news of Diogo Jota … a blunt reminder that we aren’t promised tomorrow… I am exhorted to be intentional today ….

Diogo Jota: 1996-2025 - Liverpool FC

[zvillehoo]

My son, who is a diehard Liverpool supporter, is going through all the emotions today. The jota news crushed him. But we also got word this morning from Liverpool that based on his performance at a camp last week, he’s been invited to spend a week in December training at Liverpool.

He seems to be taking the jota news harder than he’s letting himself celebrate the invite. As his dad, I’m proud that he’s balancing his emotions and keeping things in perspective.

RIP Diogo

[jazznutUVA]

@zvillehoo

But we also got word this morning from Liverpool that based on his performance at a camp last week, he’s been invited to spend a week in December training at Liverpool.

I hope this isn’t like the Arsenal Camp my sons went to last year. They both got identical e-mails that they were selected based on their performance at camp for a week in December to train with Arsenal… pay the crazy fee and, oh by the way, pay the chaperone’s way as well.

We talked to several other campers and it appears Arsenal send the e-mail to everyone.

[zvillehoo]

Oh it’s a business for them and comes with a fee. Last year they invited 36 boys from across the US to participate, so it was competitive I guess but it’s not anything other than a paid experience. We are treating it as a vacation option. And we haven’t decided if we are going.

He would train with LFC academy coaches, play matches against English clubs (maybe the LFC academy teams or maybe not), get all the tours of anfield etc and get tickets to a match at anfield.

He’s excited he got selected. But I’m not under any guise that this is any sort of tryout by the club. It’s an extension of their paid US camps for those that performed well enough in the local versions.

[ElliottHoo]

Holy fuck. That’s one hell of a tragic rollercoaster of a month.

[DavetheWave]

https://x.com/CornerMediaCo/status/2018710557881245838

[DFresh11]

Maybe the funniest thing I have seen in long time

[haney]

@UVAdrian

Ah, yes, Dunn’s 3PT attempts per game have tripled from 1 per game in college to 3 per game in the NBA. Per 100 possessions, Dunn took 2.5 3s in college and has taken 8.2 as a pro (although this year it’s down to 6.2. Curse you, Tony Bennett!)

And we’re talking about the potential gravity created by a not-that-good shooter taking a few more threes per game on what was a meh Virginia team,

I agree with all these points, unironically, except I was just annoyed with Bennett. I wouldn’t curse him.

His attempts have more than doubled, and nearly tripled, on a per possession basis.

And yes, we are talking about not just the extra shots, but also the potential gravity effects. Maybe we could’ve been a top 150 offense. That would’ve been much better than 200.

[DavetheWave]

Also he shot 49% FT as a rookie and is 64% this year.
His win share per 48 rate has also more than doubled this year over last.
But I’m sure he hasn’t improved.

[Hoohoohoo]

I was surprised to see that this thread has 2512 posts.

For authenticity sake, @jazznutUVA can we merge it into one long single post.

[UVAdrian]

Looks like the increase in Dunn’s win shares is due to increases from his defensive win shares. Dunn’s OWS is basically flat.

Also, I don’t want to make it sound like I’m taking shots at Ryan Dunn. I loved him as a player for us, but I think the idea that a different coach would’ve made him an offensive threat is misguided.

[jazznutUVA]

@Hoohoohoo

For authenticity sake, @jazznutUVA can we merge it into one long single post

I tried to close this one last year and I got booed until I reopened it.

[haney]

[Hoohoohoo]

With just surfing on vibes not stats, I agree with @haney. Dunn is a better offensive player now and I think he (like many) struggled with blocker-mover + the value every possession/FGA mantra.

Would love to debate Casey Morsell next but instead I’ll present Dailyn Swain.

He’s basically Ryan Dunn in college right? Better offensively, slightly worse defensively.

[haney]

Sam V has him as first rounder
https://x.com/sam_vecenie/status/2016753104986001465?s=46

[haney]

@UVAdrian

I loved him as a player for us, but I think the idea that a different coach would’ve made him an offensive threat is misguided.

I think a fair amount of the improvement he’s had (which to me seems real, albeit perhaps not dramatic), is just time and reps

The next question is how much is a different system, way of using him, etc. And how much of that could’ve been harnessed by a college coach.

[Cuts_from_The_Corner]

@UVAdrian

I think the idea that a different coach would’ve made him an offensive threat is misguided.

“Offensive threat” was probably never the realistic goal, although that’s a pretty ambiguous term.

I do think it’s evident that practicing offense 20% of the time while being told to just worry about defense and rebounding had a negative impact on his ability to contribute offensively, was a visible detriment to his aggression and confidence, and compounded the issues the broader team dealt with opponents knowing that he would never shoot (or look to drive very often, for that matter).

The extent to which Dunn would have improved his contributions on offense under different instruction is debatable (although early season play was much different in his approach and might have been a decent guide) - but I think it would be very hard to argue that the approach we took was the most effective option, which is where most of the dialogue comes from.