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Eh. I mean, we can probably agree that NBA players get higher caliber coaching and all-around preparation than college kids. And the current result is āSighā¦ heās probably a little better. If nothing else, heās willing to attempt a few more 3s.ā
If thatās what the NBA can accomplish in a year and a half, Iām doubtful better college coaching would have moved the needle terribly much.
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The part Iām having an issue with here is that āheās a little better in the NBA - RELATIVE TO THE NBA ā than he was in college ā RELATIVE TO COLLEGE.ā
Seems like youāre yada-yadaing the part in all caps, but it seems like a big deal to me.
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Heās still an awful FT shooter, which is probably the best indicator of his 3 pt shooting upside and has nothing to do with whether heās playing college, NBA, or at the Y.
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Thereās a cap here, for sure. But (and itās small numbers, so grain of saltā¦) heās at about 67% this year after being about 50% in college and year 1
Also want to make something clear ā this all started because someone made a comment wondering whether Odom wouldāve better for Dunn offensively
I interpret that to mean that Dunn wouldāve had better offensive output under Odom than TB
IMO thatās a different question from which coach wouldāve developed Dunn offensively better.(probably a wash tbh)
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Eh, his 2FG% dropped about 10 percentage points from college to the NBA, so thatās not great. Sure, heās improved his 3 point shooting a little in the NBA. But heās still not very good at it. He attempts the 8th most 3s/game on the Suns, and has the 2nd worst 3FG% of players who attempt them with any regularity.
So, sure, heās getting better at them, and the Suns are doing well so I assume they know what theyāre doing. But I have a hard time believing Dunnās outside shooting has added value for them. I assume theyāre betting that he continues getting better at it and eventually gets good enough that heās actually a plus.
But weāve agreed the NBA has better coaching (and can spend more time on it), as well as operating along totally different time frames. Iām not at all sure this means another college coach with another approach could have gotten more out of him, or even that using him differently would have been a good idea.
Iām sympathic towards complaints of CTBās utter indifference towards offense later in his career, but Iām not confident Dunn is a good poster child for it.
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That last paragraph is basically where Iām at. As the game changed, we needed to do things like produce more 3 point attempts. When you have games where the other team makes more 3s than you even attempt, youāre kind of screwed. But then Dunn comes upā¦.
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Iāll just leave at this - he was a knockdown shooter at 16 and then he grew and came to Hooville - did the program ruin his shooting or did the extra length do it?
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I suspect it was some of both. He had some shot mechanic stuff he needed to work through (and maybe still does), and we werenāt running a particularly good program to help a guy work through shot mechanics (specifically, the āinstill confidence and let a guy work through his shot mechanic stuff.ā)
But more on the TB part and less on the RD part: my major beef is that Tony knew the issue, saw the issue for 25 or so mpg, and his solution to the issue was to do absolutely nothing to adjust to the issue. Not get RD off the perimeter, not sub more judiciously, not instill confidence, not tell him to drive into the space he was being given, not lean into more transition hoops (also good for Reece), etc, but just to kinda watch with benign neglect.
Which eventually led to offensive performances like the CSU game. And later we found out Tony really wanted to retire and it all kinda made sense.
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Was awesome how they kept Johhny Gaudreau part of the celebration!
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Kid I work with is close friends with McVay (i think the name) and made the trip. They grew up in LI togther. Really cool
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What do Hoo opponents think???
In the huddle, timeout over, you peek outā¦
and these five UVA menaces stare back like they own your soul.Jacari struts left, smirks like he invented gravity,
then hits you with the nastiest step-back corner threeā
arc so filthy it needs a content warning,
your ankles file for divorce on the spot.Chance? Pure bully poetry in sneakers.
Drives like heās mad at the rim personally,
drops the toughest bucket youāve ever seenā
the kind where the ball apologizes for going in,
and you just stand there wondering why you signed up for this.Sam chills at the top of the key, casual as Sunday brunch,
then drains a three straight in your grillā
splash so loud it echoes in therapy sessions for weeks.
He doesnāt even celebrate; just nods like, āYeah, that happened.āThijs posts up slow, patient, like heās got all night,
backs you down with tectonic bumpsā
every drop-step a seismic event,
feels like taking backshots from a freight train named Regret.
Youāre cooked, folded, and questioning life choices.Then Ugoāsweet lord, Ugoā
leaps like he borrowed springs from a kangaroo cartel,
swats your shot so hard it lands in the cheap seats
next to the guy selling expired hot dogs.
Ballās in row ZZ, your egoās in witness protection.These Cavaliers donāt just beat youāthey humiliate you poetically,
turn every possession into a roast session with receipts.
You walk off the court limping, pride in shreds,
muttering, āI thought this was just basketballā¦
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Hot take: Shaka wouldāve been a good coach here
Hotter take (?) - Shaka will still be a good coach at Marquette. Heās starting 2 frosh and a sophomore and 6/7 in the rotation are both sophomores.
I think Shaka wouldāve used the portal here. And probably been a better HS recruiter (at least than weāve seen so far - which is a low bar to be fair).
Have seen this chatter over this week but was too busy to respond at the time.
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Fully agree with Haney here. Shakaās performance this year isnāt indicative of what UVa Shaka would have looked like, and I think heāll be pretty good again next season.
Theyāre already improving! Shaka didnāt forget how to coach
https://twitter.com/haslametrics/status/2026730938390970545?s=46
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I feel like Shaka wouldāve been CTB 2.0 in terms of having a window that opens and closes. Shaka is taking his lumps this year and will (probably) have a good group next year provided he can keep his guys at Marquette.
I donāt know how the fanbase here would react to going through those kind of windows. Again.
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Talk about a stark contrast between my two basketball teams over the last 24 hoursā¦. Last night, the Celtics set the all-time NBA record for effective field goal percentage in a gameā¦.. and today the Hoos did whatever that wasā¦.
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