🙄 No Holds Barred Thread - A Haney/DavetheWave Production

[BDragon]

Hopefully the stick around getting reps with the current and new guys. Goong uome is overrated

[DavetheWave]

I remember when we played Iowa - the announcers saying Iowa was picked to finish 9th in the Big 10 and also saying they were much better than that and would finish higher.
They are currently tied for 8th.

[DavetheWave]

In ACC Games:

Rk	Player	Ortg	DRtg
1	Kadin Shedrick	124.6	99.1
2	Reece Beekman	121	104.6
3	Francisco Caffaro	116.1	106.6
4	Jayden Gardner	111.5	109.4
5	Kihei Clark	104.8	109.4
6	Taine Murray	104.1	111.3
7	Kody Stattmann	103.7	110.5
8	Armaan Franklin	100.6	108
9	Igor Milicic Jr.	72.8	110.6
10	Carson McCorkle	72.6	118.6
11	Malachi Poindexter	28.8	114.4
12	Chase Coleman	0	119


[norfolk_hoo]

Those Poindexter minutes are a catastrophe. I hate the stattmann minutes too but I can draw up an explanation at least

[HooticusFinch]

Dave - is it possible to do that for the winning streak only?

[DavetheWave]

I don’t have that at my disposal - I could do it with my own tweaks including points. assists, turnovers

[DavetheWave]

One of my favorite things is watching Reece run the offense at the top of the key - waiting for 2 guys who can’t shoot to come off down screens and pass to one of them… and then watch them get stuck…then they pass it back and they do it all over again. That’s my favorite.

[Jerome]

Yeah I’ll admit this has been incredibly infuriating. Just adding McKneely coming off those screens next year makes us so much more dangerous.

I am a little concerned about Armaan next year. I’m fine with him starting but is anyone else worried he’s just default to get 30 minutes a game? If he can’t shoot 3’s his ceiling in our offense is limited and I’d like to see other guys get some of those minutes and have him at like 20-23 minutes a game, maybe more depending on how he’s playing

[norfolk_hoo]

Why do we assume McKneely is playing next year? Are we sure he will have the lateral quickness, ball security, and general on court awareness to play? I’m at the point where I don’t expect a freshman to see the court until they do- and that goes for all four 2022 recruits.

[haney]

This is the big unanswered question of 21-22: were Taine and Carson just not good enough under a Tony 2014-19 standard, or did the Tony 2014-19 standard change?

My guess is a little of column A, a little of column B.

It also obviously depends on things that we can only guess at, because HS/AAU highlights are only so helpful: how is McKneely’s ball security? how is his quickness? how is his continuousness?

And add one more: how well and how quickly will McKneely’s shot translate to the ACC level?

[Jerome]

This is the first time a first year hasn’t seen regular playing time since the Baddochi/Anthony disaster class. Let’s not act like the precedent doesn’t exist when you look at Reece, Casey, Kihei, Guy, Jerome, etc who have all played sizable roles as first years in recent years

[norfolk_hoo]

I think it’s telling that there are only two guys on that list that aren’t point guards. I am likely overreacting to this year but I think a more in-depth analysis may be useful

[frosty]

Dont worry Norfolk everyone seems to be overreacting to this year. Can you imagine if we were 14-19 like Carolina in 2020? Finishing 6th in the ACC during our down year, with a top-10 class coming in and the best coach in the conference. Yet we have Hooandtrue weaving elaborate scholarship fantasies, and dave inventing stats that make it look like we score a million points a game by double counting assists so he can back up his gripes with “stats”. At least haney is making Uncle Tupelo references in the midst of his despair. Yeah it sucks losing but man things are FAR from being bad.

[Jerome]

@haney is without question the most entertaining of our resident doom and gloomers.

I think we all realize how lucky we are, but I do love that this board is willing to have out of the box and statistically driven conversations that don’t always support the “Tony is God; we are perfect” narrative that some UVA fans like to stick to. Yes things are still very good and no one is really denying that we have the best coach in the business and are lucky beyond our wildest dreams with what he’s accomplished and will continue to accomplish here. But we aren’t good this year by our lofty standards and it’s reasonable to have discussions on why and how we can get better, otherwise this board would get very stale. At the end of the day, we all know Tony knows 100x more than any of us (although I’m fully convinced @CavsFan on the 247 boards actually thinks he would do a better job that TB but I digress…) but that doesn’t mean he’s beyond criticism, while still acknowledging he’s the best we’ll ever have.

Sorry, this wasn’t directed at you but I’ve been more annoyed than normal this year at the attacking of anyone who dare question anything without being reminded of the Natty.

[frosty]

If there is ever a place for unmoored discussion its a message board. Criticize away, but when its dumb criticism or insane fantasizing, it’s gonna get pushback, its a message board after all! and you actually don’t even have to put the CTB is the best disclaimer on your criticism! Fire away. I agree, there are plenty of things to criticize

[Jerome]

Yeah agreed with you. I draw the line at @DavetheWave throwing out starting lineups where Gardner comes off the bench. Like, c’mon, let’s at least be realistic.

We as a board are definitely guilty of backup QB syndrome. As far as we’re concerned, the M’s (not Malachi) are all-ACC players stuck on the bench

[MaineWahoo]

@norfolk_hoo

I think it’s telling that there are only two guys on that list that aren’t point guards. I am likely overreacting to this year but I think a more in-depth analysis may be useful

This may not be as in depth as you’re hoping for, but I pulled this together a few weeks ago. Here’s the link to the post and I’ll recopy the image below.

1st Years & Playing Time

Somebody may have already done this, but I threw this together. Basically shows minutes played in first year, then total minutes played for the rest of the player’s career after their first year and minutes played per completed season after their first year. Obviously a little rough, but I thought slightly interesting. Players whose first year came after a redshirt are italicized. I left off guys who are so early in their careers it’d skew the numbers (Reece, Shedrick, McCorkle) [UVA Player Mi…

And basically my take away from it was that if you’re a guard who is going to be good at UVA, you will earn at least some meaningful playing time your first year. The only real exception was Devon Hall. Now of course circumstance and roster composition affect this and the sample size isn’t huge, but the Bennett era is not filled with guards who were quiet their first years and then went on to great things. Kind of seems like you either got it, or you don’t, and we can see it pretty quickly. Bigs are obviously more complicated.

[4547Lambeth]

@Jerome

Yeah agreed with you. I draw the line at @DavetheWave throwing out starting lineups where Gardner comes off the bench. Like, c’mon, let’s at least be realistic.

That’s his thing though. He makes up unrealistic lineup expectations that go against anything Tony Bennett has ever done in his career and then complains about it when we expectedly don’t play those lineups.

There was a preseason prediction he made that had Clark playing 5-10 mpg off the bench.

[norfolk_hoo]

This is very helpful thank you. I could vaguely remember someone putting something together but couldn’t remember where. It would be nice to have some sort of repository for helpful LRA in depth analysis like this one

[BDragon]

I think CTB should start 3 players next game, and then run on the other 2 at the 17 min mark. The shift will throw the other team off and give the Hoos an advantage.