🏀 Ryan Odom Transition

[WFS_HOO]

Odom only has 3 pillars

• Uh
• Um
• You know

[HoopinHoos]

He was just saying all the standard bullshit he thought his new constituents wanted to hear.

[SlickAce]

@ell

Well said, Odom may not be a transcendent coaching talent like Bennett but he’ll do as well as he’s supported, and this is exhibited by the fact that he’s never underperformed in his career. He may not drastically overperform, but our program is in a pair of VERY competent hands. If we consistently provide him with top 20 resources, we’ll (at the least) consistently get top 20 teams out of him

You (guys) think Bennett was a transcendent HC or what he did here was transcendent for a good 5/6 year period?

Great coach who ran a system that worked for a while, but I’m not sure he’s transcendent. Just my opinion.

[Richan34]

He won the championship at a ‘real’ sport at UVA. I am not sure what else there is to say?

CTB was once in a lifetime.

[ell]

Winning a natty AT ALL is literally the definition of ‘transcendent’ in the coaching industry. Only like 6 active coaches in the NCAA have won before so yea, it’s rare.

Doing it at a school that had never won one before makes it even more rarified air. And make no mistake, this isn’t some sort of hot run that led to a natty like what Ollie did. Our title was the culmination of nearly a decade of complete dominance in the premier conference in the country.

Bennett is unequivocally a transcendent coaching talent. This isn’t a debateable assertion

[Cosmo]

@SlickAce

but I’m not sure he’s transcendent.

I guess our definitions vary, but the dictionary say transcendent is “surpassing the ordinary; exceptional.”

So, let’s see. Won more games in Virginia history than anyone else. Won Virginia’s first ACC Tournament in 40 years, then won another. Won six regular season titles, or five more than all other Virginia coaches combined. And won the only national title in Virginia’s history.

Even in his last five years, which I guess you’re implying came after his system no longer seemed to work, Virginia won 70% of its games – still good enough to be one of the best winning percentages in the country. (Duke won 72% in that span.)

I don’t know. That seems exceptional to me.

[lodger96]

Slick still misses Dave Leitao.

[Playgroundhoo]

Ouch!

[SlickAce]

Respect fellas! No shade, I think we had the right pieces with Ty, Kyle and Dre. I guess I look at transcendent HC’s like Coach K (ughhh), Wooden, Knight, Calhoun, etc. on the highest of the high Coaching tree. We had a magical run and finally broke through in 2019, but recruiting tailed off big time, and Tony was ONLY gonna coach one style of play.

[HoopinHoos]

There was nothing wrong with Tony’s system or style of play. You hit the nail on the head when you stated that recruiting tailed off big time.

I think the answer is both. I think he’s a transcendent coach that produced a 6 year window of elite basketball at UVA. I think the Tony/UVA marriage would have continued to roll along at a fairly high level had it not been for the porta/NIL changes.

But yeah, I’m with you on the last 5 years. The glow of that 2019 Natty probably make Tony’s last 5 years seem a little better than they probably were. There’s just a shit-ton of lopsided losses in there.

[Wahooblue]

Recruting in a vacuum was fine. It’s just that the highly ranked players that picked uva were not fits for the system. I think lack of personal evals during Covid were a big pat along with selection bias of players choosing uva due to success as opposed to what the program offered earlier in

[HoopinHoos]

Even some that were a fit and had fine college careers just weren’t what you need to compete at an elite level. I love Kihei Clark. Great steady floor general, high hoops IQ, etc. but there’s no way a program that expects to compete for championships trots him out there as starting PG for 4 straight years. You have to recruit better.

[norfolk_hoo]

We did recruit better. We went out and got Reece Beekman. We just decided to play them together for reasons that still remain unclear

[Wahooblue]

Sure but if Casey fits you don’t have to, which is my point

[StLouHoo]

@HoopinHoos

Kihei … there’s no way a program that expects to compete for championships trots him out there as starting PG for 4 straight years

Five actually…

So… It’s okay to trot him out as a starting PG for one year to win the natty in the first place, but the subsequent years are not something a championship program should’ve done??

Oh, right, forgot, you’re just here to troll.

[73CAV]

Recruiting didn’t tail off substantially, but retention suffered significantly. Premature attrition was excessive. Between Covid, injuries, the transfer portal, and the draft, Virginia, as a whole, was relatively inexperienced after the championship. UVa hasn’t fielded a basketball team dominated by players in their third or fourth year in the program since the title. And, it didn’t help that, essentially, there was no real recruiting allowed in the spring and summer of 2020.

[DFresh11]

Depends on what transcendent means to me. I know he was the first Virginia coach to own the ACC for some time. And I thought he did that to an actual fault. He won the National Chpionship which, after not winning with Ralph, seemed impossible. Thats proly transcedent in and of itself.

But then, there was no follow through to really really become next next level. Something happened

[WFS_HOO]

Basically the same message as Odom

https://x.com/packpride/status/1904583334950281715?s=46&t=tvElakV32391zkmPjLG4FA

[HoozGotNext]

Imagine a Tony Bennett coming in today and saying I need people I can lose with first. He might get ran out of town. The portal has made fans soft haha

[Jake]

Recruiting absolutely fell off post 2016. Never sniffed a class rated that high since that year.