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In general, I prefer a let it ride philosophy. But coaches like Huggy and Izzo will change my mind on that.

The key is flexibility. I think bad refs either let the game away from them (let too much go) or go the opposite extreme (insert themselves too much)

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Remember in a referee political system… there really isn’t a centrist independent… it’s a binary choice. You can’t have it both ways! :rofl:

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How about ref anarchy? No more refs. Players call their own, like in pickup. Then they just argue

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I might feel differently if we had a team that could make free throws recently…

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I feel icky voting Ticky Tack but then I think of a world where teams are incentivized to play like Huggy Bear’s prime West Virginia teams and feel committed to stamping that out at any cost.

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I think its a conundrum because I think in this scenario… a fan could switch referee political parties based on how the first 5 minutes of the game transpires.

I know as a soccer referee… the temperature of the game in the first 10 minutes or so can actually change my refereeing style to limit games getting out of hand. I’d much rather ā€œlet it rideā€ā€¦ but if the game gets a bit rough, fans and coaches start getting rowdy… I’ll have a press conference at halftime to announce I’m changing parties mid-game.

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Or the toughest ref political question: should you call the last minute of a close game for the championship the same way you’d call the first half of a buy game / laugher.

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CAROLINA REFS!

This is it exactly.

Both options create incentives for players and coaches that hurt the things that make basketball special. The balance of athletic skills required is broad and privileging one skill so heavily (strength or shooting accuracy) would make it far less so.

Allowing unfettered bully ball biases outcomes away from finesse teams and changes the way teams would construct rosters. The end game gets unwatchable fast. Imagine a Huggy vs Huggy game: might as well watch WWE.

Ticky tack is flat out unwatchable. Drives me crazy to watch repeated drives where the primary goal is to get fouled rather than put the damn ball in the hole. The games are boring, excruciatingly long, and farcical.

I realize I’m expounding too much on this since it’s implicit in the poll question that both are sub-optimal, but I reject the question and throw my vote away like most others who responded.

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Probably the best place to post this…

Haha!

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Some good reading from KenPom about preseason ratings in the era of the portal:

TL;DR:

  • His preseason ratings are generally as accurate as they’ve been pre-portal (and better by some metrics)
  • Season-to-season correlation for team performance is at an all-time low, so predicting off of past team performance isn’t as good anymore
  • That hasn’t tanked his preseason ratings accuracy because he’s done things to make it rely less on past team performance
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Random observation, but the minutes continuity chart (green line, right) surprised me in that I expected the recent change to be larger:

But then I realized, the change I’m ā€œfeelingā€ isn’t minutes continuity, it’s player continuity. Like, one year Jayden Gardner gave us a lot of minutes continuity, but he was still only a 2-year guy, which feels less like old-school continuity. Whereas Taine has had little effect on minutes continuity (because he’s had small PT) but is a once-traditional 4-year guy.

Still, interesting that you’re kind of capped at 50% minutes continuity – seniors were always getting half the PT. It’s just that now you’re losing a big chunk of the other guys too.

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Also, I think minutes continuity only measures one year to the next. I bet that any measure of multiyear minutes continuity would go down more.

Also — and I’m not sure how much this affects the data — I’d prefer if Ken would cabin some of this stuff in to Power 5 or top 100 or whatever.

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I too always would prefer to see ā€œPower 5 or top 100 or whateverā€, but especially when it comes to data involving transfers, since one presumes that’s roughly the dividing line between Givers and Takers in the transfer market.

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In the spirit of deep-diving on meaningless subjects and overanalyzing…

I was curious if we could ā€œdeduceā€ how much each player played at each position in the Georgetown scrimmage based on their minutes and their plus-minus.

I got the idea for this because I initially assumed Cofie backed up Buchanan, but then saw their plus-minus’s were +2 and +3 and we lost by 11. So they must’ve overlapped a good bit. But did they overlap enough that Saunders had to be on the floor with them at the 3?

Turns out yes**. It’s not as conclusive as I was hoping, but it looks like we played Saunders at the 3, 4, and 5 during the scrimmage. Sanchez in experimentation mode? I mean it was a scrimmage, so probably. Still interesting he played Saunders, Cofie, and Buchanan together at all.

player 1 2 3 4 5
blake_buchanan 0 0 0 0 27
jalen_warley 0-16 0 0-16 0 0
elijah_saunders 0 0 2-16 6-30 2-13
isaac_mckneely 0 30 0 0 0
tj_power 0 0 4-17 4-18 0
jacob_cofie 0 0 0 5-16 0-11
andrew_rohde 2-18 2-10 0-20 0 0
dai_dai_ames 22 0 0 0 0
taine_murray 0 0-7 0-7 0 0
ishan_sharma 0 0-1 0-1 0 0

**IF I did the optimization right. It’s here if anyone is curious

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The numbers in the table are minutes/minutes ranges?

Yep!

Who keeps the official Wins above Bubble list? Torvik?

Based on NET:

Team sheets with all the metrics available starting December 2.

Big fan of this being added, I think WAB is the metric that most lines up with a fair tournament selection procedure. Consider the 2024 tournament selection process:

The highest ranked teams by WAB (on Torvik’s site) that missed the tournament:

  • Indiana St (+1.9 wins above bubble)
  • Princeton (+1.0)
  • Seton Hall (+0.9)
  • Providence (+0.7)

The four lowest ranked at-larges in WAB:

  • Michigan State (-0.19)
  • Texas A&M (-0.06)
  • Mississippi St (+0.6)
  • Boise St (+0.7)

I’d happily have swapped in Indiana St and Princeton for MSU and TAMU (both middling teams lifted up by strong conference).

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Thanks! Forgot it was based on NET, so obviously can’t be released until the NET