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Nice graph of when teams start trying to miss FTs down 2:

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Call a TO in between FTs:

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Introduces an interesting challenge for deciding whether to call a timeout when your player is the one shooting free throws late-game. Is it worth taking the percentage hit to get the defense set up/make your fouling plan?

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Eamonn’s newsletter today had a conversation with Torvik. I thought this snippet, where Bart talks about his system, was nice to have all in one blurb:

Re: the general ratings, they are fairly similar to Kenpom, the NET, and BPI. Like Kenpom and the NET, the core of the ratings is based on adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency: points scored and allowed per possession, adjusted for strength of opponent and the location of the game. There are additional adjustments that give recent games more weight and give very little or no weight to blowouts in mismatches.

My ratings have two more unique aspects. First, for each game I use play-by-play data to determine a team’s average lead or deficit, and derive an alternate calculation of efficiency using that data, which I then average with the ā€œpureā€ efficiency. This rewards what some call ā€œgame controlā€ in football. In short, a team that gets up 15 points and maintains that lead will have a better rating than a team that played a close game and then stretched the lead to fifteen in the final minutes (even though the pure efficiency numbers will be identical).

Second, and relatedly, I disregard garbage time for purposes of calculating this ā€œGameScript +/-ā€ stat. This further deemphasizes relatively meaningless fluctuations in the final score, and provides some disincentive to run up the score.

Wins Above Bubble is ultimately based on wins and losses only, but it uses the underlying power rating to give more credit for wins over better teams (and more punishment for losses to worse teams). Using any power rating, you can calculate how many wins a bubble-quality team would expect to win against any given team’s schedule. For example, under my system a bubble quality team would on average be expected to have won 19.1 games against Wisconsin’s pre-tourney schedule last year. Since Wisconsin actually won 22 games against that schedule, they had a WAB of +2.9. If they’d won 17 games, they’d have had a WAB of -2.1.

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That ā€œgame controlā€ thing is interesting. I didn’t know he did that. It sounds like a good idea, but the one thing he didn’t say (in this snippet anyway) is whether he’s in fact found it to be incrementally predictive. I assume he has, because why else do it (and how would you structure it if predictivity isn’t the target) and if so, you’d think kenpom would follow suit on that, eventually. (Same question on garbage time. You can decide to disregard it for incentive reasons, but does disregarding it make your model worse? I feel like I maybe read a kenpom blog to that effect long ago.)

I need to read this whole article.

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I missed this when it came out, but some interesting data-driven musings on roster construction from Mr. EvanMiya:

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https://kenpom.substack.com/p/lets-talk-about-ted-valentine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2012259&post_id=148422662&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=4gjrd&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Oh man, Ken’s most controversial take ever! But more seriously, I always enjoy reading Ken because he doesn’t give a crap about the conventional wisdom. (And TV Teddy is still an ass :slightly_smiling_face:)

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Enjoyed that one, and yeah, Ken loves to poke at people’s data-untethered assumptions. My hypothesis is that people’s dislike of Teddy is a function of his longevity. It’s inevitable for refs to make a high-leverage call (or 12) that will go against a particular team, and the more you officiate, the more teams this will happen with, so the dislike spreads around fanbases. But then the better refs (on average) will continue to get the high profile assignments and then you get a divergence between how good the ref is seen by their org and how fans see them.

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I don’t think of TV Teddy as TV Teddy because he calls the most fouls, I think of him as TV Teddy because he seems to always call them in the biggest moment and does his motions like he’s participating in a workout class.

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Yep. He’s actually one of the better referees. But he LOVES the spotlight…and that comes through in the theatrics when making a call and his tendency to seek out controversial calls in key moments.

I’d still rather him do a game than most.

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Yeah, agree with aspects of what everyone is saying, including Ken:

  • TV teddy is a good ref. I think he’s particularly good at a place like Cameron because he has no compunction about pissing people off
  • The human compunction to not piss people off unnecessarily is the reason that refs tend to give the homer whistle
  • TV Teddy is TV teddy because he relishes the big moment / big call NOT because he calls a lot of fouls

Perfect example of how Ken is very good at data analysis but he’s not always great at data interpretation

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The big data takeaway is the GOAT Roger Ayers is #2. :crown: :crown: :crown:

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I also find it ironic that he is contextualizing a ā€œgoodā€ ref by how few calls he makes…when a lot of the trend over the last few years was to enforce more foul calling (freedom of movement, hand checking, etc.) to create more offense.

Personally, I like my basketball to be a little more physical and despise the Buzz Williams-style of basketball where an offensive player goes heads down driving to force a whistle and a parade of free throws. So again, TV Teddy is good by me.

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Luckie is the one that sends me into a blind rage more than most.

Also reminds me of this (decidedly qualitative) article from a few years ago that I think complements Ken’s data nicely.

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Yeah, I basically think there aren’t public stats which can tell us which refs are good / bad. Unless you rely on who gets the good games (which is basically what Ken does with his ref ratings). In order to know who’s good and bad, you’d probably have to see Bryan Kersey’s database on this stuff. And I suspect he guards it pretty closely!

My beef with Ken’s interpretation on this is that fans don’t dislike TV Teddy / nor have they given him that nickname because of the volume of fouls he calls. That’s a silly leap of logic that Ken made that he never justifies.

On the first point, I think the fact that Tv teddy still gets good acc games suggests that Kersey thinks he’s a good ref. But I make the opposite logical leap for the Big Ten: I think the reason he doesn’t get Big Ten games anymore is because he pissed someone off who he shouldn’t have pissed off, and he exhibited the same side of his personality that caused him to turn his back on Berry.

Also, according to this, Kersey is coordinator of officials for multiple leagues now, including A-10:

What’s funny is that while I was still officiating D1 I went to an NCAA tournament game that Luckie officiated … I had a great view as I was in the 3rd row - 3 seats away from
Pat Riley.
That game Luckie had one terrible call where a player flopped and he fell for it. Outside of that he had what I thought was a perfect game…that was back in 2009 or 2010. Since then he’s only gotten worse as he ascended.
My memory tells me he has more bad games than good.
Valentine has a syndrome that affects a lot of officials…. If he goes too long without a whistle, he’ll tend to insert himself in a play he doesn’t belong in and get the call wrong… and it may be at a crucial juncture….sometimes with a 3 man crew the action and plays that need whistles just happen to be in your partners’ primary coverage area for long stretches. It’s a skill to stay focused and not be over officious in those scenarios… a good thing to do is to talk to your team at a timeout and just say I haven’t had a whistle in a bit… am I missing anything? Also in those scenarios if we had a double whistle on a play - let the guy who hasn’t had a call in a while take it to the table.

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The thing Ken misses is that TV Teddy gets the rep not only or even mostly from fans on their couches. It’s from people courtside (fans, media, coaches) witnessing how he interacts with players and coaches, and that getting out to the world, validating the weird stuff about his games that fans notice.

Titus and Tate had a good story about him explicitly telling Ziaire Williams he called him for a foul because Williams looked incredulously at the ref earlier in the game. Basically, he wanted to put this freshman 5 star in his place.

Fans hear those stories, and can see some weird ass calls during games where it seems he makes calls to generate the most outrage. Then he gets the rep.

Like @haney said, there’s no metric for that brand of reffing. It’s driven not by a consistent lack of bad judgment, but rather selectively applied judgment, spikes in ego, etc. … all depending on particulars of the game.

I liken Teddy’s approach to both sides media coverage that’s equally crappy to each side. He thinks he’s being fair, but that’s not the outcome. The outcome is no one knows what to expect and you can’t calibrate your game based on the rules.

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That whole segment was a great insight into Valentines reffing. Basically nonstop chatter with Williams all game (and nobody in the gym to make counter noise)

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Not to get political specifically… but more generically… this is why term limits are so helpful. No matter how beloved or hated a politician is… the longer they are in office, the more stuff people can throw dirt at them. Because there are so many ā€œteddyā€ incidents… one builds a bias towards him. I’m glad there aren’t two referee ā€œpartiesā€ā€¦ would you want referees from the Ticky Tack Party or the Let it Ride Party? Who would you vote for? LOL!

  • Ticky Tack Referee Party
  • Let it Ride Referee Party
  • I’m voting for the Independent Referee (essentially throwing your vote away)
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