Yeah, that sounds like a simple, effective tactic. Thanks
I actually thought UNC didnāt collapse on Reece. They let him cook in the midrange/around the basket.
And thatās a pretty effective strategy. Reece is great, but even him hitting 50% at the rim like that isnāt super efficient (and he doesnāt usually hit that high of a mark).
But even if teams donāt collapse, you can design off-ball stuff to free guys up. Using Dunn as an off-ball screener, etc. We havenāt really done much of that as far as I can tell.
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I think itās been there some against some of the more aggressively collapsing defenses, like FSU, TAMU, but we have seen a lot of drop coverage more recently on ball screens. Drop tries to keep the screening defending responsibilities contained to just the ball handlerās defender and the screenerās defender, allowing everyone else to stay close to their man and out of rotation. See the āNo Tagā section towards the end of this article for examples of that:
https://medium.com/the-basketball-dictionary/drop-part-i-42add19791f1
And as noted by @norfolk_hoo, if the defense does have to tag the screener on his roll, they can try to have that come from a non-shooter, or to rotate off a non-shooter to keep the shooters covered.
Solutions arenāt impossible, but definitely trickier in an environment with only 1-2 shooters on the floor. This list is pretty good for giving the ball handlerās options:
Against Wake, Reece did a lot of getting his defender on his hip, and making scoring plays in the midrange/floater area (what the commentators were calling putting the defender in jail). This was a Ty specialty too. Against UNC, it seems like we were pretty committed to challenging the drop defender at the rim, which is a road you have to take at least some of the time, but it is a hard road. The other thing about scoring directly against the drop is that there still is a window for passing to the screener as he rolls, but itās a smaller window, and one that asks the screener to make a contested play at the rim.
And as @zh00s mentions, even if they help off non-shooters, thatās when ideally you try to have that guy become either a cutter (tough in a crowded lane, but they tried it some) or an off-ball screener for a shooter (need more of this, I think). This video has good examples of this:
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I renounce my cake day in protest of the staffās decision to play gertrude any minutes. Ridiculous.
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Iām clipping now - hereās one example. Reece runs a pick and roll with Buchanan with Harris on the court. Bacot just sags into the lane. Reece gets around his man (I think it was Davis at this point), and dribbles around a bit. Bacot keeps him from getting to the lane while being able to recover on Buchananās roll, and Harrisās man (Harris is around the point) drops WAY into the lane to harass his dribble. He ends up taking a contested midrange, which he can hit, but is something UNC was trying to live with.
On another play, he and Buchanan get a side cleared out for an empty ball screen out of Flow, but Ingram has dropped fully deep into the lane despite Dunn being out on the wing. Reece actually drew a foul on that one and it worked out, but he was basically 1-on-3 with no real option to pass to either Buchanan or Dunn and expect them to score from where they were.
The main focus of my piece will be the offense.
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Seem to be less for sure
Also that is something Elijah needs to add.
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Thanks for the education, everyone. As soon as I read @norfolk_hooās response, I smacked my forehead. I should have noticed that myself. Iāll read the reference material here in a bit.
Dunn is on the perimeter of the offense more often than not. Itās complete dead space out there. We know he canāt shoot anymore (in games anyway). He can, however, back his man down and make cuts to the basket. Having Dunn stand on the perimeter for 90% of the shot clock seems incredibly stupid. We used him off screens and cutting to the basket in the game at LVille, his best offensive game of the year. He had 19 I believe and almost all right at the rim with several dunks. What has happened to trying to utilize him in this way?
Would it not pull his man into the lane with intent, where we can use him to post up, cut, or bring a āshooterā behind him off his screen (or a screen from a big)? There has to be ways to create space. I was watching multiple other games this weekend, including Ohio St/MSU yesterday evening. Neither team is great, but both offenses moved with intent and created space. I just do not understand the lack of being able to run anything that creates space.
I get that teams are scheming for IMac and Groves. So scheme to get Dunn/Minor/Buchanan (even Gertrude) moving towards the basket. Now, they have to finish to be taken seriously, which theyāve done this seasonātheyāve shown it can be done. Iām not a tactician, I donāt know a lot about running or calling plays, but for the love of all that is good, you can watch it on TV and immediately know: THIS AINāT IT. Haha.
Hereās to TB and the boys getting right Wednesday @BC and finishing the regular season strong for an ACCT/NCAAT run. Letās do this thing!
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It is still beyond me how we didnāt teach Dunn some basic post moves in the offseason. Literally every dude guarding him this year has been smaller, many by several inches.
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Iāll go with your opinion on this as wellā¦ In this situation I would normally side with the innocent student athlete/ basketball program, but dook rubs me the wrong way.
If one of these following events happened then I can respect it. But itās the overall entitlementā¦
- Scheyer immediately gets on the mic in the post game and in the typical dookie way gets on a soap box and pretends to make the problem about āthe gameā but in reality itās only about his player. He mentioned Caitilin Clarke after the fact, but did he mention her several weeks back when she was initially court stormed? I donāt think so. Scheyer is not yet a person whom I respect to give him that soap box just because he coaches at dook.
- TB has been at Uva for 15 years and he is not ONCE complained about anything during postgame interviews (sometimes to my annoyance, but overall shows that heās not entitled).
- Filipowski has an interview in which he says that he believes the student runs into him on purpose and he shouldnāt have done that etc. etc. Again- I donāt think that Iāve heard player interviews in the past in which they are *complaining about anything to the public. They typically avoid the question, or may not even have access to the mic at all.
-Filipowski has also come off entitled while playing the game, interactions on the court and with the referees, so heās not gaining any points there.
THE MEDIA:
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Chris Spatola- a dookie via marriage acts like the atomic bomb goes off in his assessment and fallout of the court stoarming.
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Numerous news outlets- picked up the story and began running with āanti- court storming rhetoricā- well why didnāt they go full fledge when Womens all time leading scorer in basketball got run over", but only when dook gets involved is it time to take it seriously.
Again Iām not cold hearted but I canāt feel that sympathetic to the dook and media machine.
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We did, itās unnatural for him. Heās always played outside.
His touch is fine, he just misses, unlike Blake, who looks like heāa throwing a dart at the rim.
Offense, besides dunks, is in his head right now.
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Totally. There are valid concerns, but also the annoying and entitled way Duke has aired those concerns. Both are true.
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I suppose my question to this is *why when we have shooters such as iMAC and Groves and to a lesser degree Rohde does it seem like when they get the ball they are looking to ārun the offenseā? Why are those shots not taken immediately? TB says weāre getting looks but need to knock them down, well I would argue that we need to TAKE those looks first!
I like the way youāre thinking, @HolidayHoo, though of course some of the success Dunn had before is due to Louisville just being a relatively poorly prepared team that is easy to scheme against. But we need to get him on the move more for sure. I think he (and Eli) could really get something going off of the ā45ā cuts and āstampedingā drives that were highlighted in the video I linked above. You have to get the timing and balance right of course, or else it just becomes a super clogged lane. But Reece can do the hard work of occupying multiple defendersā eyeballs, everyone else needs to take advantage of that.
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Or the fact that we really havenāt taught anyone since Gill.
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I think this is the key and also one of the questions regarding the guards that play in TBās system.
All three of Reece, Rohde and Dante are ball dominant Traditional POINT guards. They each should be playing separately, and not together on the court at the same time. However, in our system TB likes having multiple play makers in the court because our offensive system is so complicated that it needs those ball handlers. If we could simplify our system to be able to be run with traditional scorers at the 2 and 3 spots along with a Reece like point guard then we can up the scoring and hopefully be successful.
Right??? He has gas pumps for arms, can jump out of the gym, and generally is quicker than his defender. TEACH. PRACTICE RELENTLESSLY. POST. HIM. UP.
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But I have been complaining about our post teaching and post offense for a long long time.
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There are 3 separate assertions in this sentence, and I think all 3 are debatable.
I mentioned this earlier in the season to HGN and wondered, why donāt we go after the Akil Mitchellās and Darion Atkinsā of the world anymore as they could atleast score inside, and then we build from there. Those guys were both 6ā8 similarly to Dunn. However the response is that most 6ā8 guys these days are now on the perimeter as players that can shoot the ball which Dunn is struggling with now.