You mean the half of a game against towson?
When talking player development, I’m also referring to last year. Find me 5 out film from last season and I’ll gladly take my comment back.
I personally never heard of five out or saw it. What is the objective? Thanks
Its funny. I watched the National Championship game yesterday. And shit looked crazy clogged for our O as well… was my takeaway from watching again
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To inform your beliefs a little, some facts:
Oregon - Season Avg 70 PPG against UVA 49
Purdue - Season Avg 77 PPG against UVA 70 in regulation and that was with Carson making shots from half court blindfolded
Auburn - Season Avg 80 PPG against UVA 62
TT - Season Avg 73 PPG against UVA in regulation 68
That really makes me feel like we ran them out of the gym…only it was defense that did it!
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I broke down the 5-out set after the San Fran game on the blog:
I’ll just say this: Bennett has thrown everything in his play book at this team so far. I counted 9 offensive sets that they used against Kent St. We’re using CBS, mover blocker, high ball screens, five-out, triangle, hybrid offenses with ball screens and pin downs, designed set plays out of those offenses. They’re trying everything right now. They’ve even done some iso stuff but moreso in the first two games. Sure trying more and more sets may yield success but at a certain point the players have to succeed in the schemes they play in. And, maybe, just maybe, we’re overrating some of these guys off of faulty high school rankings and evaluations
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My main takeaway from rewatching the championship (aside from offensive talent) was that 1. Everyone knew their EXACT roles on both sides of the ball, and 2. We had guards who could shoot the lights out of the ball.
That helps spacing sooo much compared to Kihei and Reece’s shooting. Don’t think we can have two guards who are a total non-threat from deep in at the same time
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Are you Joe Biden? Or is that the joke you’re going for and I’m just not getting it?
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it’s the in phrase right now
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We’ve got a pod coming on this, I’ll address it in another film breakdown, and I’ll be writing a story post MSU, but the breakdown of the sets we used on Kent State is as follows:
5-out: 14 possessions (23.3% of settled possessions), 15 pts, 1.07 PPP
Mover blocker: 13 possessions (21.7%), 9 pts, 0.75 PPP
Middle triangle: 12 possessions (20%), 13 pts, 1.08 PPP
Mover blocker/CBS hybrid: 12 possessions (20%), 17 pts, 1.42 PPP
High ball screen: 3 possessions (5%), 3 pts, 1.00 PPP
CBS: 2 possessions (3.33%), 2 pts, 1.00 PPP
Mover blocker/high ball screen set: 2 possessions (3.33%), 0 pts, 0 PPP
Set high ball screen with feed to Hauser off pin down into mover blocker: 1 possession, 0 pts, 0PPP
Same set but into 5-out: 1 possession, 0 pts, 0 PPP
That’s all 60 of their settled offensive possessions against Kent State. No real takeaways other than the fact that they’re trying everything they got.
Edit: prolly shoulda put this in the Kent St. Thread. My bad lol
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To give up on a kid after a season plus four games seems very Duke-ish.
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this is a recruiting thread that some folks want to turn into a CTB bashing thread…how is it that Calimari can get five 5 stars each year, yet only about 1/2 of them ever make it to the pros, and they don’t win Championships - yet, he keeps getting those kids?
And just to end it for me…I often times yell at CTB through the TV screen, but I am able to evaluate the entire body of work and say that he deserves our support and we are very lucky to have him.
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Hoo87. What was our avg Defense point total. Im not going tu debate your denial. We couldn’t stop those teams from scoring and it came down tu who had the ball last. We had tu put up points and keep scoring. If you think a TB defense is doing well letting teams avg 70 points. Than you need tu find someone else tu have a convo with.
I’m looking forward to the pod. Would love to hear a more analytical approach to breaking down our offense and what is and isn’t working. To the extent we can know anything right now with a limited sample size and no games against top competition.
I will say, like others, I am sometimes perplexed by our offensive struggles, mostly because Tony is such a brilliant coach. I wouldn’t change a thing about how we play defense - that is what has made us an elite team and created such a high floor for all of our teams. But precisely because our coaching is so good and our players play so hard, it’s mind boggling we can so frequently go for three or four minutes not being able to score.
I do think Tony has changed things up in recent seasons and is experimenting, and that is great. I always felt that our early teams, with Malcolm and Joe and Gill, were amazing when plan A was working, but as soon as it wasn’t, we didn’t have a plan B and could just fall apart (see Syracuse Elite Eight, and I’d also argue the same for UMBC). What set apart our championship team was that we were more flexible and could switch things up if one thing wasn’t working. Yes we held Purdue, Auburn, and TT to lower scores than their regular season averages (averages which include scores against a bunch of weak non-tournament quality teams), but we were also able to keep up with them punch for punch when we couldn’t stop them. That team was not our best defensive team, but it was our best offensive team and the defense was good enough.
I was fully expecting the defense to take some time to get right this season given the loses and new comers, but the way in which we are just throwing everything against the wall offensively because nothing is quite working right is strange and a little unexpected. I would have thought we’d have this a little more figured out by now. But we shall see. Is going to be a fascinating season to watch play out coaching wise.
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Ok Brogdon. I will watch it after 90 day Fiance go off. Thanks buddy!!
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No one is.
everyone does.
Please don’t be that guy.
What people are doing is wondering what , if anything, could be done to improve the offense. We have the reputation for defense for two reasons. One, because our defense is always ridiculously good. Bumps in the road happen but it’s not something you ever have to question. And two, because our offense is not something we’re ever known for.
All anyone is doing is wondering if we can’t have both. Are offensive struggles or systems used against us? What could we do to improve what we have? What, if anything different, should we look for in future recruits?
That’s all. No ones bashing anyone. No one is not supporting anyone. And I’d guess, you know it.
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Everything accept isolations and posting up mismatches.
I wonder what people like Hoos87 want tu discuss on message boards. Why the game is not on a certain channel? Or talk about Wally Walker and Holland? Nobody is bashing anyone.
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I don’t understand a defense vs. offense debate. You need to be top 10 in both to win a title. We aren’t top 10 in either right now. I think Tony’s natural inclination is to get the defense to title level first and then build on the offense from there.
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Criticism is not bashing and no one here will praise Calipari too much lol. I never want us to be Duke or Kentucky. They can go kick major rocks
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I speak for myself, but I am just trying to look at offers/players recruited and understand if the alterations in the offense are a long term change, or if they are short term based on personnel. Are the days of the Jack Salt big done, or is this a temporary change?
If I’ve bashed anyone or anything, that’s not my intention. My goal is to look at current player/personnel usage, and see what that could mean for the next two recruiting classes. And I think that’s what most in the thread are attempting to ascertain.
Edit: meant to respond to the other post, in full agreement with everything you posted Plainhoofrense
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