Yeah I really need him to not go to Duke lol. AJ Griffin and Paolo are already going to be ridiculous, we don’t need another stud joining them.
That was awesome- thanks for linking
Interesting that he might not get a first round grade. Wonder if that raises the probability that he returns?
I was assuming he’s definitely entering and was gonna go in like the late 20s
Draft is wild because Franz Wagner will get a top 10 grade and Murphy ceiling is so much higher.
Right now, Murphy hasn’t shown the ability to drive and create.
As previously noted, the trey Murphy we saw last year should not sniff an nba court. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a great prospect but he has a ton to improve upon. He can do it for a year in the g league or at uva. I know where I think he will have a better long term result but the consensus on this board is still that he should go. At this point that is what I guess will happen but there are dozens of players available more nba ready then he is. I would not draft him in the first round in a million years. Mid second on longer term potential I can see.
I feel like feedback system as currently set up lets down players like Murphy, who are arguably the players most in need of that information. I mean, its certainly better to have that information than not have that information, but it doesn’t sync very well with where the value cut-offs are in the draft, because those bands are asinine.
The difference between going 15th and going 30th is gigantic (yet the bands view them as the same), whereas the difference between 25th and 35th is trivial (yet the bands treat it as a huge drop-off). These days, it’d make more sense if the bands went something like:
1-7 - “Truly elite” - It’d vary a bit year to year. Just here to be thorough, if you have to ask it isn’t you.
8-20 - “Rest of lottery to near-lottery” - A solid pay day is coming to you soon, grats.
21-40 - “First-round-ish” - Expect a 2-year deal at the minimum. Still nice.
41-50 - “Getting drafted” - Very likely to get picked, probably a Two-Way deal. Grats on getting picked.
51-80 - “Maybe” - Maybe you’ll get picked, maybe you won’t. Two-Way deal if you get picked.
I agree. A high draft position would only be on potential. He needs to get much stronger and prove he can score at three levels. If he hasn’t done that in college, any NBA team would assume a risk in drafting him high. He can improve his game and strength this year and prove it on the court to remove any doubt. He could be a lottery pick. I mean, he can prove himself better than Cam Reddish.
Scoring at all 3 levels? He is or was close to being a 50-40-90 guy so he’s almost there. Just needs more muscle in order to utilize his handle and get into the paint.
Also think he needs to get more handle to utilise his athleticism which is something we have seen Mamadi do ao well as a pro
Treys such an interesting case. He’s a shooter for sure but he’s had one good/borderline great year in college. He’s got a ton of potential and a high ceiling but he needs a lot of work to see it out. Hes already 20 or 21 so the clock is ticking on him. His handles need a big upgrade for the NBA level so does his strength. But if he can prove savvy at the catch and shoot game by creating space and finding openings that may biy him enough time to develop what else he needs.
I’ve said it before but his situation reminds me so much of JA.
Don’t disagree but I’d point to the fact that trey has always been a high volume, elite shooter whereas JA was banking on one season that seems to have been a bit of an outlier
I think a big question with Trey is how much can he even round out his game? Can he become a dynamic offensive threat or will he always be just a spot up shooter and dunker? If he can round out his game it makes more sense to come back and try to play his way higher in the draft. If he is what he is then he probably needs to go and grab that $2 million or so guaranteed.
Think it was an easier decision to come back for a guy like Dre who had clear areas of growth that he could reasonably expect to achieve. You could always see Dre had potential to be more than just a role player in the league. For a guy like Trey, who will most likely end up being a specialist either way, it makes sense to start getting paid imo.
Yeah, Murphy hit 44% of his 3s his Freshman year, 36% his Sophomore year, and 43% this year with significant shot volume all 3 years. He’s established that he’s an elite shooter, which JA never really did. JA’s 3FG% totals went 30%/29%/45% and JA has significantly less volume (JA peaked at 102 3s attempted his Junior year, while Murphy’s lowest total was 120 this season).
Indeed. Plus, a 3 and D specialist in the NBA who is good at their job can make huge money. Joe Harris’ $16M/year sounds pretty good.
Great point. Their games aren’t nearly as similar. I meant they are similar in the should they stay should they go, are they first rounders or no rounders. The reasons for all that are slightly different. But I think in the end it all comes down to potential, JA had the body and the athleticism but didn’t have the shot. Trey has the shot but lacks the body and maybe the athleticism, I’d have to go back and watch some film on him for that.
Not to be a party pooper and tons of others have said this but I’d be kinda shocked if trey came back at this point. Don’t think the supposed development advantage of staying is much of a consideration as of now. Then again I’ve already been wrong in this process so what do I know lol
Yeah I agree he’s probably not coming back. I just thought it was interesting he might not be getting a 1st round grade
I don’t think Trey should come back as a fan Id love to see him play for the Hoos but if Im a coach or mentor I tell him to go pro. The improvements etc he needs to make he will makw on an nba roster or a gleague roster. His first yr or 2 will basically be a paid internship. That will be more beneficial than the risk of another yr in Charlottesville