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What if Beamer said no.
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On the same boat with you! Roller coaster with Des and wonāt be mad at any decision with him!
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https://twitter.com/petenakos/status/199118236974787795?s=46&t=lMa7F-gR141SbjqqmdY87A
Hagans or AP on here?
Clemson would not come for Elliott short of him winning 2-3 playoff games. That might get him on the list. My Clem insiders tell me Tony was beloved but also nudged a bit to go check out the opportunities.
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Oh he was 100% pushed out. The reason he was looking at Duke and Virginia after turning down far better jobs before is the evidence of that.
Clemsonās hypothetical candidate slate is actually pretty interesting. No idea who theyād look at. No wooing Venables back Iād assume. I could see them going the coordinator route eventually.
The coordinators are getting wayyyy overlooked this cycle imo, but someone is going to have to give them a shot. Lane and Sumrall can only coach 2 teams.
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I donāt have the sub, but my understanding was it wasnāt as much about on-field staff.
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If Clemson and Dabo finally divorce Iād expect that Clemson looks to distance themselves from the Dabo family tree.
I have no idea what that leaves them as far as options. The Tigers are in rough position that they are one hire away from going back to football obscurity. As much as Tiger fans donāt want to hear it, Iām not sure thereās enough institutional love/infrastructure to allow them to thrive post Dabo.
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Oh theyāre the most new money program in college sports. I expect prodigal son levels of squandering to happen in the next decade, and so far so good.
Iāll give them some credit on the institutional infrastructure front though. IPTAY has been a resounding success for them, and they were an early leader on that.
Theyāre dragging their feet on everything this decade though.
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Love that line.
Thereās money for sure. But I donāt know that they know how to use it. And given the way Dabo has clutched the purse strings the past 4 years, I could see a world they go the opposite direction and attempt to spend like crazy with no real plan in place.
Instead of infrastructure I should have said brand/tradition. Iām not sure that the Clemson brand is that well established they barely own their own footprint in SC. The name doesnāt carry the weight of the other national brands that have experienced a similar level of success.
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I forget who from the Athletic said it many years ago, but they had a point I thought was not fully fleshed out, but interesting:
Clemson stole Tennesseeās program out from under them. There was suddenly another contender in on the recruiting territory between Atlanta and Charlotte and Georgia was a little down as well. They had some other points that I have forgotten, but I remember finding it pretty compelling at the time.
The re-emergence of Tennessee, and frankly probably moreso Georgia, probably has as much to do with their decline as anything. The head-in-the-sand transfer portal and NIL stuff obviously exacerbated it, but they really did have a nice run there with very little competition in that region.
Itās called a Bennett Departure Bump
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UGA killed the Clemson run. For a while there they were going into Ga and poaching a few recruits. They were also finding success skimming guys from Florida. UGA has put a massive fence around everything from North Florida through Columbia SC. A&M has also made an interesting amount of inroads in Ga over the last 12 months.
We have no clue if thatās a bump or a dump.
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We do know that a shitton of money that had been on the sidelines came in though!
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The challenge Clemson has is it is mostly about money now in the eyes of the top recruits that help you win playoff games. Clemsonās bag is no bigger than anyone elseās and they have to get in the mosh pit and slug it out with the SEC war machines and other new arrivals like SMU, Vandy, UVA, et. al. that now have a bag too.
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This is the only clear pipeline Iāve really seen Elliott start to develop. Weāve had more than a few Florida kids it feels like (I have no data on this).
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Tweet was deleted, what was it about?
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Technically the Bowden tree. Dabo was hired by Tommy Bowden and retained, first in an interim capacity then in the full-time role, as HC when Bowden resigned.
Guess the point is, theyāve kept it āin the family,ā so to speak, since they hired Tommy.
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True technically under the Bowden tree, but I feel like Dabo has branched off pretty far from that due to his success. But he created his own cultish culture vibe whatever that makes Dabo Dabo
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Dabo was selling real estate when Tommy Bowden added him to the staff as WR coach. He immediately made a mark and when Tommy was cashiered Dabo was given a chance. Ahead of the OC and DC. Pretty impressive jump.
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So under Groh, we focused on the mid-Atlantic and Northeast. With Elliott, itās principally Southeast.
The four classes (plus transfers) that have signed and enrolled (2022-25):
Virginia ā 24
Georgia ā 20
Florida ā 17
North Carolina ā 9
South Carolina ā 8
Tennessee - 6
Texas ā 6
Maryland ā 5
California has four. Kentucky, Alabama, Ohio and Illinois have three apiece.
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