šŸ€ ACC Basketball- 2025 offseason

They really need Wilson to be good, and not just good, but specifically primary-ish scoring option good (like @haney is saying Torvik is forecasting). They have a ā€œwho’s gonna take the shotsā€ problem but their role players are pretty good, IMO. But even if Wilson is really good, they will need 1-2 of Dixon/Denis/Young to be capable of significant rotation minutes and James Brown ready to play a lot of backup center minutes.

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Hey, new looking reaction emojis :eyes:

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I’m very glad we’ve already locked up Malik Thomas because Duke and UNC would be pushing hard for him if he was available. They need a guy like him badly. Sarr is a better NBA prospect but he’s not going to have the impact in 1 year that Malik will. Those two rosters don’t really scare me at the moment.

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If Young is healthy he will be solid. He has been good in the stretches where healthy.

Trimble also will be really good with ball in his hands (see their Memphis exhibition and start to the season last year when RJ was hobbled). Dixon and Denis could be day 1 impact guys too and maybe Jarun takes the next step.

But you are counting on a lot to happen for them to be top 20 good

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I do not know what you see in Jaydon Young. Really inefficient player

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Was Tech’s highest usage player as a true sophomore, 41% on his 2-pointers and 30% on 3’s. Took a slight majority of his shots from beyond the arc, not a huge driver, FT Rate of only 15% so doesn’t generate a ton of FT’s, only 38 FTAs all season. Ultimately only an ORtg of 99.2 in ACC Play.

So the questions for Young are (a) would be benefit from (and be okay with) moving back into a complementary role, where Trimble and Evans are the higher usage guys and Young’s role is maybe on par with Dixon, and (b) does he continue to improve as he ages up into his junior season?

I just see some information value in the fact that he was heading to High Point before UNC swooped. Granted, High Point is probably close to the top of their particular program weight class when it comes to funding, but it’s still a different weight class.

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Strange hill to die on for the NCAA. I don’t really understand either since I thought 20-21 just didn’t count whether you played or not.

So he entered school 20-21 and redshirted. Played in 21-22, 22-23 and 23-24. Then injured and redshirted in 24-25. The NCAA isn’t saying he’s out of eligibility. They’re saying he’s out of time to use his remaining year of eligibility under the play 4 seasons in 5 years rule. But if 20-21 doesn’t count, then where’s the 5 years? I mean, if he did play in 20-21, wouldn’t he still be able to play in 25-26? So since he didn’t play in 20-21, he’s not eligible for 25-26? That makes no sense at all.

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I cannot find any angle on this where the NCAA’s call makes sense to me unless he didn’t arrive from overseas (Egypt) with all his eligibility in tact. He’s listed on RealGM with a November 2001 birthday which would mean he arrived at Charlotte in 2020 at a very normal 18 years old, so can’t imagine that’s it, though.

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Yeah there’s gotta be more to the story we’re not getting. There are plenty of players out there who began their college careers in 2020, Dante Harris for one.

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As much as I hate to give Joe Lunardi attention, he’s one of the only people doing rankings past 25 right now. He has

Duke - 1 seed
North Carolina - 5 seed
Louisville - 6 seed
Miami - 10 seed
NC State - 10 seed/L4I
SMU - 11 seed/L4I
Clemson - Next Four Out
Virginia - Next Four Out
Notre Dame - Next Four Out

Kinda squares with the thought that 4-9 in the conference will be a bit of a cluster. Separated by ~ 12 spots nationally. Personally I think UNC will be closer to the cluster than they will be to Duke but.

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I’ll bite on this. I call bullshit. See very little reason why they should be considered a tournament team frankly.

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Lunardi knows nothing about basketball without data. Why even waste your time looking at his nonsense.

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Somehow NC State and Miami get a huge boost for a new coach and new roster but we don’t.

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If we get de Ridder I bet a lot we finish above those 2.

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Miami’s roster:

PG Tre Donaldson (SR Transfer, Michigan) 37 G, 31.1 mpg, 11.3 ppg, 4.1 apg, 38% 3P%
G Jordyn Kee (3-star RS FR)
SG Tru Washington (JR Transfer, New Mexico) 34 G, 28.2 mpg, 11.1 ppg, 1.9 apg, 34% 3P%
G/F Dante Allen (4-star FR)
SF Shelton Henderson (4-star FR)
F Timotej Malovec (3-star FR)
PF Marcus Allen (SO Transfer, Missouri) 26 G, 9.2 mpg, 2.6 ppg, 2 rpg, 44% FG%
F/C Malik Reneau (SR Transfer, Indiana) 26 G, 23.2 mpg, 13.3 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 55% FG%
C Ernest Udeh Jr. (SR Transfer, TCU) 30 G, 26.6 mpg, 6.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 63% FG%

Donaldson, Reneau, Washington, and Udeh are all top 100 transfers on EvanMiya, so it’s a good headline group, and of course they’ve got a couple of nice rookies to include Henderson who’s a borderline 5-star that they stole from Duke. But it’s badly lacking in depth, and nine new faces is a lot for a first time ever head coach. I’m skeptical it’s any better than recent highly inconsistent Miami rosters of the late stage Larranaga era.

NC State’s Roster

PG Tre Holloman (SR Transfer, Michigan State) 37 G, 23.1 mpg, 9.1 ppg, 3.7 apg, 33% 3P%
G Alyn Breed (RS SR Transfer, Providence [22-23]) 32 G, 18.4 mpg, 4.8 ppg, 1.5 apg, 28% 3P%
G/F Paul McNeil Jr. (SO) 24 G, 8.7 mpg, 4.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 36% 3P%
G/F Matt Able (4-star FR)
SF Quadir Copeland (RS SR Transfer, McNeese State) 35 G, 21.9 mpg, 9.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 15% 3P%
SF Terrance Arceneaux (RS JR Transfer, Houston) 40 G, 20.3 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 34% 3P%
F Colt Langdon (3-star RS FR)
PF Zymicah Wilkins (4-star FR)
F/C Paul Mbiya (3-star FR)
F/C Jerry Deng (JR Transfer, Florida State) 31 G, 15.4 mpg, 7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 43% FG%

Wolfpack are at 10, so baseline roster depth, though four are rookies. Three transfers are Top 150 on EvanMiya in Holloman, Arceneaux, and Copeland. Shooting is going to be a massive concern, so expect some cold nights. At least in State’s case, you know Wade’s an experienced coach, both at the P5 level and with assembling rosters quickly having changed jobs three times in the last decade. Don’t think they’re a contender but could see them playing spoiler.

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We are getting dinged because we have two starters/contributors from euro ball. Pundits don’t follow it and the analytics don’t include them.

In a hypothetical where we had Arceneaux and Baba Miller instead of De Ridder and Grünloh, we’d be listed as a 5-6 seed. (Those are approximate comps in terms of roster value add).

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Wolfpack guards look meh right now, but I think they’re front of line for PJ Haggerty if he drops out of the draft

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Paul McNeil Jr is going to be a good player eventually. Will Wade is hoping ASAP