Agree with all of @haney points. Ideally, I thought he could have a Ryan Dunn first year minutes + impact arc.
I don’t think he’s a transfer risk but I do think there’s predictable minutes trajectory under CTB and it would be fairly anomalous (absent of injuries around him) to see a huge uptick in Year 2 based on current total minutes.
I don’t mind Malcolm or Ty or Kyle or Hunter or Hauser getting 30 min +… but for those who aren’t as good …. why?
Like why is McKneely getting 35 minutes a game? Scoring 20 while he guards a guy who gets 15 points on 50% shooting and 6/6 FT while dishing 9 assists? What if Eli came in and disrupted that guy and forced someone to have to fly around trying to guard him?
I’m not really sure your point here. I gave the quote with the context that things HAVE changed. Which does make it easier for transfers to occur. Parroting?
We ARE the only programs that redshirts Top 100 kids. That is a fact though. I can’t speak to whether relationship building changes and what if/any impact that might have on kids staying. That seems more like the speculation you accused me of
Yeah, this is a bit of a concern. UVa has only done “slow burn” with one guard: Devon Hall. And if you look at his RS frosh year, he played 23 games and 244 minutes. Through 18 games (more than 50%, likely) Eli is at 10 games and 109 minutes. And zero non-garbage time minutes in the last three. That’s concerning!
Now, to be clear, the ACL recovery is a very significant differentiator from a typical situation, but also, I think even with that differentiator, the hope has to be that Eli’s recovery makes him better at the Tony idiosyncratic stuff, because just in terms of pure athleticism, Eli is light years ahead of Rohde, and most everyone else, and Tony seems to value that raw athleticism at roughly zero MPG.
Also, just in terms of rotation, where’s the huge opportunity? Very likely, we will have all of Taine and Dante and Rohde and iMac back next year. Reece’s minutes open up, but seem likely to be gobbled up by Dante and Bliss.
It’s very early, but it gets late quickly.
The fundamentals for Eli to get playing time are terrible for the next couple years. And I don’t think you have him for longer than that without playing time
My point was in my second paragraph. From the outside, we don’t really have much evidence about how the coaching staff has adjusted to keep freshmen who aren’t getting a ton of minutes engaged and how they are going to keep them at Virginia in the free transfer era. It’s a sample size of two at the moment and it’s 50/50 so far. So it’s tough to draw a conclusion on how the staff is handling the situation with Elijah at this point. But I think the situation would have to be handled differently than it was in 2014.
Parroting may not have been the most constructive verb to use, but I think taking what Devon said at some point in time (still just want to know when the quote was given because I can’t find it) about what 2014 Devon would have done if he were able to use the post-2021 transfer rules is a bit like the movie Tenet: really cool, but very confusing and maybe not the most satisfying experience.
Firstly of all, If he can’t beat out taine then I think we are wasting shit tons of time and digital ink complaining about why he’s not playing more now. Secondmostly, I think he can carve out ten minutes vacated by Reece. Last but not leastly, Dunn.
My belief is he’s a better shooter than his numbers this year. Tighten up the ball control/TOs and 20+ mpg is pretty achievable.
@WFS_HOO What he said!
I don’t have a strong opinion on the Rohde/Harris/Murray/Getrude/Bond or Dunn at the 3 decision right now. But did want to say Tony can’t play to peak in March. This team is squarely on the bubble. Its destiny will be decided over the next 3ish weeks. Tony needs to play the best team right now, not what will give us the best team for the NIT in March
Sharma?
2 things can be true… playing Eli now gets the team better ready for March and also the same amount of wins as if he doesn’t play.
Edit … also could get more wins if he played 15 minutes
The first part is irrelevant if we don’t make the tournament and several people are explicitly calling for it as a reason to make lineup decisions in this thread. Making the tournament is all that should factor into decision making until we are either safely in or clearly out
Says you… but what is the point of making the tournament to do what we did in 2018 2021 and 2023?
I don’t know if you know this, Dave, but if you don’t make the tournament it is impossible to win a game in the tournament
Nobody on this board attends practice on a daily level. The opinions here regarding Eli are primarily guesswork. Unless in fact you do attend the practices. Nobody wants to win more than Tony. If he thought that playing Eli now would increase our chances of winning he would be playing. His time will come and when it does .. he will play
I just wanted some clips from high school… we need to play this young man.
More practice time for next year?
Good point. Much stronger case to get him minutes (with a better line up around him) when we were struggling.
The thing is, we did get him minutes and they didn’t go super well. I think the main critique is that he came in already when we were folding and he had more B team guys around him. (using B team to refer to players on the fringes of the core rotation).
On the flipside, our A team was crapping the bed. Was Eli going to turn that whole ship around if we had got him minutes with more A team guys? iMac wasn’t doing it. Reece wasn’t doing it. Dunn wasn’t doing it.
Given all of that I just don’t take all that much issue with how things have played out. And at this point, as @Hoos9412, the margin for making March Madness is slim. I hope we get him some run in games we lead by a lot and he shows some good things and can crack back into the rotation. That’s probably the wisest path. Otherwise, I just wanna win games man.
I don’t know if you realize that when we don’t have studs (athletically or productively) playing at the guard spots we don’t advance in the madness.
Up to you if you wanna say Rohde is a stud athletically or productively.