Yep that is why you don’t redshirt a defensive player and “save him” for future years. Next year isn’t promised. As we saw towards the end of this game how Ryan Dunn impacted plays defensively with some blocks, a steal and rebounds, it would be been nice to see how Bond would have done at the point of attack. This is one of our most experienced teams and by adding our two redshirts at the beginning of the season the ceiling would be higher…Anyways enough of me lamenting this decision. We shall see how the NCAA tourney goes.
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Of course Hubert was actually losing games. Not just not winning them by as much as fans wanted. Also, feel the need to mention that scoring is the only thing Caleb Love brings to the table. It’s not like he brings hustle or defense or leadership when his shot isn’t falling
There is absolutely a distinction between longer-term coaching guy to break consistent habits that hurt the team vs tactical choices within a single game to bench someone not playing well. If you can’t see the difference then I don’t know what to tell you.
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The guy thought Clark should get 5-8 minutes per game this year. Had we done so, at best we would have been a bubble team.
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Usually yes … but he played D like a Banchee at UNC against us - I was there and watched him closely - he literally had 2 defensive lapses the whole game and that was after the game was mostly decided. Clark does at least usually not over shoot … but he really should shoot when he is wide open - as he turns down at least 3 of those per game.
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Going into the season I also thought that Traudt would have a chance to get the 3rd most big man minutes on the team by January … and that he should be getting more minutes than BVP by then. Tony even said he told Traudt that he would likely be earning regular minutes by then.
And yes I preferred Reece to start at PG and IMac at 2 and Armaan at 3 - giving us much better size and shooting to score and also defend and be more switchable. I also thought Sheds would be playing consistent 20-25 min a night. Wrong there too. Doesn’t mean we aren’t better when he does.
And I thought Taine could be effective with 8-10 min a game at the 3 - giving us a little more size and toughness there - along with Dunn playing some there.
Without Traudt, it meant Dunn was needed more at the 4/5 and rarely played at the 3.
I also thought we would be playing against more tournament teams in the ACC.
How many good games did Gardner or Clark or BVP have against tournament teams?
There were 8 games against NCAA Tournament teams.
clearly I am not talking about 1 game in a 33 game season lmao but glad to hear you think that potential is there. Love will need to tap into it to have a chance to stick in the NBA
Weren’t you asking for more Igor and McCorkle last year? Those guys aren’t exactly tearing it up vs mid majors. You have lots of opinions which is great for discussion on the board, but you tend to act like your opinions are facts.
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Not facts … just opinions. I just usually like to try something else if what we’re doing isn’t working… I usually as a fan I lean toward playing the more athletic talented guys as well … could be wrong.
And especially if there are guys that something comes easy for … I prefer not to have too many in the rotation that everything is hard for due to lack of size, skill, athleticism, etc.
Edit: Yes - I especially wanted more Igor over Stattmann … taller more athletic - better rebounder and shot blocker and younger on a team that wasn’t going anywhere.
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Found this comment interesting. It’s behavior the NCAA wants to avoid, but when you can see you’re headed for the bubble, what else are you gonna do?
https://twitter.com/Jon_Blau/status/1635343533145223168
A few other interesting comments in thread.
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Very interesting. I think the things Brownell cites aren’t as big factors as he thinks they are (or that he is posturing that they are). These problems tend to go away by just clearly being good when you are a power conference team. If you are a power conference team in the top-30 of most efficiency rankings, you tend to have accumulated the kind of resume that gets you in.
But I am very sympathetic to the idea that the selection criteria aren’t so clear/well-communicated/consistent, and so coaches might have a hard time figuring out exactly what they are chasing and calibrating their scheduling based off of that. Which fits perfectly into my soapbox rant about how we need to remove the humans from the selection process so we can have the criteria be more transparent and consistent, but I suspect that Coach Brownell might not like that either.
Edit: Also, the most important thing for having a good defensive efficiency is having a good defense. The garbage time margin-of-victory concerns are often mitigated in ranking systems (e.g. T-Rank factors in average margin during a game, not just the final margin).
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Kinda hard to take anything the committee says seriously when they do what they did to A&M just to get a matchup with Texas.
Got no love for Buzz but the committee is a joke and the metrics they claim to use are a joke with some of the decisions they make.
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Yeah, agree. The effect of blowing out ND or NC State or GT by an extra few points isn’t as great as he probably thinks it is. Clemson’s issues were (1) some bad noncon losses and (2) no offsetting great noncon wins, and (3) finishing #3 in a down ACC wasn’t good enough to overcome 1 and 2.
The bubble is always a coin flip. The few on the wrong side always have a case…
I do feel bad for Clemson for not getting as good noncon opportunities as better “brands” (like us) and for having to play a 20-game ACC schedule with no Jan/Feb noncon opportunities. But I don’t feel THAT bad for him for the latter because he’s actually in a position to tell the people responsible that’s it’s a terrible idea.
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Couple tweets later in that thread it says Brownell shared ideas with the commissioner. And overall the other comments suggest he fully grasps the scheduling issues. I think the running up the score bit (which he said he did just the one time) was more, “It’s Feb, all that other stuff is what it is now, and I can see that our metrics are going to tank us, so may as well go for any edge I can get.”
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I’m sure this thread will be mature
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Thanks, I stopped reading before that stuff. Also saw that he got the vote of confidence from the AD.
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Running up the score definitely helps your efficiency ratings if you can do it. And looking at NET it’s pretty obvious that they were a big part of equation. Probably a good idea to do it if you can. That’s how st Mary’s is so high
I know I’m a contrarian, but I basically think “running up the score” is in the eye of the beholder. Beating a cupcake by 40+ is running up the score, but beating a league foe by 20+ is a pretty meaningful indicator.
I kind of share the insight with a lot of you that what really matters is wins. But until we get anything close to a balanced schedule, you have to find a way to calibrate the wins and losses, and efficiency margin seems like an okay way to do it. And that necessarily involves margin of victory.
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I’d put it a slightly different way: in the situations where a team has “choice” over how much they run up the score by, the choice probably doesn’t matter that much in the ranking. The predictive part is how quickly you get to that point where you have choice, I.e. how quickly you get to a “safe lead.”
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Brownell might benefit more from NCAAT expansion than any other coach. He’ll become a perennial NCAAT coach at 96 teams. If he can hang at Clemson (or at least in the P6) for a few more years until the expansion happens he is set