šŸ’° Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) Discussion

How does this works in practice? I figured some booster promised to ā€œhireā€ a recruit contingent upon the recruit signing with School X. So if the recruit then signs with the school, does the booster then say ā€œSorry kid, you and I never signed a contractā€? Or was my understanding wrong, and it’s more like the school promises to match the player with an unnamed (or uncommitted) booster, and once the player signs, that deal just never comes together?

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Little of both but mostly the latter. School/coach says we have a bunch of money tagged for you and then the booster/company whatever doesn’t come up with their end or it’s less than promised or inconsistent pay intervals. So enough to say the deal is paying but not in a traditional income sense.

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I wonder if college hoops is stuck in an unethical middle ground: schools aren’t making promises (to stay on the right side of the ncaa rules) but the kids think they’re making promises. It’s one of the many reasons NIL isn’t a particularly good way to compensate kids.

The revenue in college hoops is primarily media rights and tickets. That’s where player payment should come from.

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You’re probably right. I expect there’s a lot of "extra voices " in players ears and it’s unclear who is authorized to speak for the school.

Until they centralize the money to comefrom m 1 source there’s always going to be trouble. Currently everyone with a checkbook can claim to have NIL money and throw their hat in

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Never woulda seen this comin…

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There’s always been a divide between ā€œme firstā€ players and ā€œteam firstā€ players. (And coaches, too!)

Usually, it’s tension over the number of shots or amount of playing time, or the opportunity to showcase themselves for NBA scouts. Now, NIL adds one more fertile area for selfishness to the mix.

I’m all in favor of NIL. But I think this validates Tony’s approach, which is: Players should be able to reap NIL benefits, but if money is a player’s primary concern, then he’s not the right player for Virginia (and vice versa).

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Yep. Preach Fran

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I fully support NIL (why shouldn’t a person be allowed to do endorsement deals, etc.?), but Fran’s right, from the start it looked like a halfway measure, an unstable middle-ground arrangement that couldn’t hold for the long term. I expect as people figure this thing out we’ll transition into a space where NIL works much better, but while we’re doing that we’ll also be gradually transitioning toward the next compensation model. Just a question of when and how.

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I think an important point is that both NIL and no-sit-out transfers were rolled out together. They amplified each other and created a situation that was going to result in a bunch more change than would have happened had either been rolled out independently. Now it’s basically free agency all the time for every player on every team, which is wild.

I’ve said this before, but there’s no pro league that operates that way because it’s super unstable. Pro leagues have contracts and collective bargaining to benefit players while also creating some stability. College is in a weird middle ground.

I’m kind of surprised they didn’t try and just roll out NIL while just being more generous with transfer sit-out waivers but not cutting it entirely. Guess the NCAA thought they’d lose in court on absolutely everything.

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The NCAA could’ve accepted Alston after the district court ruled and allowed member schools to pay for some ā€œacademicā€ scuba trips (or whatever), but they couldn’t accept that. It’s almost as if the NCAA has had bad, visionless leadership for a while…. (And I don’t want to throw a UVa alum / UVa prof under the bus but I don’t think Beth Wilkinson and Ken Elzinga were working on that case pro bono. But I’m skating towards ideological/political so I’ll stop…)

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Agree with everyone else. And think Fran is spot on. This was an Recipe fof Disaster from the start. But I do believe it’s a step in the right direction if the NCAA or the conferences more likely take bold actions to reign in the loosness of it all.

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Alston was basically pay-for-play already. There was no way NCCA was going to hire 1000s of auditors to check that those academic expenditures were legit. You can teach driving class and give away escalades, guitar class and give away Gibsons, piano class and give away Steinways, all seem like legit academic expenditures to me.

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Yeah, I guess. Hard to enforce (though NCAA already has that issue), but at least there is a limiting principle.

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john mulaney snl GIF by Saturday Night Live

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I dont understand most of what Zach said there but I knew from the beginning NIL ā€œinvestorsā€ would largely be one hit wonders. Also I think with the drop in markets and specifically bitcoin and further the joke of NFTs people realise free money is over. @AnonymooseHoo I think had an opinion on Bit

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Don’t get me started on crypto lol

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Shit you started it yourself last year so…

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Shhh allnof Miami athletics is financed by crypto

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You mean it WAS

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