I love and hate you all at the same time. Stop making sense. Go Hoos!
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Come onā¦ LRA is like a fraternity/sororityā¦ you just summed up what everyone thinks about everyone else as weāre like brothers & sisters hereā¦ unless they are in a different fraternity/sorority on the other side of Beta Bridgeā¦ f*&^ those dudes. LOL!
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Just my opinion, and I appreciate the friendly discourseā¦ All of these threads are UVa-centric and apt to encourage all manner of tangential discussions to the thread topic. But the VIP recruiting thread, almost by definition, is intended to be dense and focused in recruiting discussion. Comparing a recruit to McKoy or any other player fits the pattern, but a discussion on McKoyās usage while at UVa is definitely getting off topic (not to mention having been litigated here a million times). Best, though, when we self regulate to keep on topic and keep the VIP thread rich in material discussion. Sometimes I lose track of what thread Iām in and make mostly unrelated comments, so Iām guilty as well.
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Here are the top 10 Replies Posted members in the last yearā¦ ignore me at the top as it always puts the user reviewing as the top (Iām really #17)ā¦ my biggest question on this list is what the heck @haney was doing for that one day last year?
ā¦ but seriously, it seems like a good list of those who could be mod candidates outside of HGN & DFreshā¦
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Oh god, I donāt know how I feel about seeing my stats. Maybe I have a problem.
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You gave the most likes on how it was sortedā¦ means youāre a pretty nice guy. 
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Lol! I think one day I was like, Iāll read a book ā¦ but then I mustāve wondered what folks were saying about UVa hoopsā¦
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HGN with such a nice like to post ratio
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I guess Iāve gotta post more
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But..butā¦what are the beer thread and BBQ stats? The people need to know!
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I need up my game. Going for the LRA triple crown.
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Re: NIL and portal, carryover from Intel thread:
@bdhammond28 said:
Guys going into the portal looking for NIL werenāt coming to UVA before anyway. They were getting money under the table. Weāve always feasted on the guys who already lost the excitement for that and usually wanted to play at a higher stage(Hauser, Gardner, Vander Plas, Key) and develop defensively to play in the NBA(Murphy). I think the Murphy success in particular should be a HUGE asset in recruiting transfers going forward.
A few thoughts on this:
- IMO, if you have a black market that goes ālegitā, the number of people willing to participate in the market goes up quite a bit. I suspect there are plenty of examples (alcohol after Prohibition? Cannabis after states legalized?).
- So yes, there were willing payors and payees pre-NIL, but now there are significantly more.
- So I think itās an open question as to whether the ability to make $$ (and yes, make even more in the NBA) wouldāve affected the decision of guys like Murphy, Hauser, and Key.
- If you compare our pre-NIL/portal transfers itās guys like the three noted above (2 of 3 top 100, 2 of 3 with NBA roster spots a year into their NBA careerāand maybe 3 by the end of the year) vs. our post-NIL guys: Armaan, Jayden, BVP (0 of 3 top 100, 0 of 3 with realistic NBA hopes in the near term).
- Q: But Haney, isnāt your data on the āpreā guys cherry picked? A: Yes, but only a little. Nigel Johnson happened, too, but he was before those three.
- Q: But Haney, isnāt our āpostā NIL data really limited? A: Itās limited, but thatās the nature of looking at these things in real time.
- Q: Couldnāt it get better? A: Yes, of course, thatās how this tangent started. I said I hope transfer recruiting gets better, and others responded that itās already fine.
- Itās absolutely been fine. Fine puts you in the NITā¦
- How good is BVP? How much does he contribute to winning hoops? Stay tuned. I think thereās an optimistic case for BVP. Thereās also a pessimistic one, too.
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I think we disagree, but thatās a fair counter argument. I think thereās just so little evidence so far that either of us could be right, we just donāt know right now. On the topic of our recruiting: I think that recruiting has been good or horrible depending on the year.
ā16- Amazing
ā17- Horrible- Couldnāt get anyone post ā16. Clearly wasnāt a good class on paper but seemed like there was an explanation at least.
ā18- Poor- Couldnāt get much post ā16. Clearly wasnāt a good class on paper againā¦. Was definitely a bummer and most frustrating one for me because I think blaming ā16 guys blocking play time was fair in ā17. In ā18 it seemed like a justification and a major stretch.
ā19- Poor- Seemed good on paper but 2/3 didnāt pan out.
ā20- Poor- Seemed good but on paper but 2/3 didnāt pan out.
ā21- TBD, but seems horrible. I bet Murray gets passed and transfers this year.
ā22- TBD, but on paper really good.
ā23- TBD, Iām hopeful we can make it a good complementary class to ā22. Buchanan, hopefully Gertrude, and either Power or higher level PG makes it a success. All 4 and it is similar to ā22 and seems like a home run.
Iām mostly optimistic, and I understand having lower years due to a big class the year before, but a 2 year gap of not getting high level talent in ā17 and especially ā18 was pretty inexcusable in my opinion. It gave ā19 and ā20 little margin for error, and we got what looked good on paper but didnāt pan out on the court. Because we missed ā18 in particular it made ā19 and ā20 being home runs crucial, and it flopped. ā21 was more excusable in my book because the verdict was still out on ā19 and ā20 so there wasnāt super obvious PT.
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2018 wasnāt inexcusable. People didnāt want to visit Charlottesville after that summer.
I worked at a summer camp and after our summer was over JMU rented our camp grounds for their Camp Kessem program. They were supposed to have had like 40 kids. Only 6 showed up. People werent sending their kids to Cville after that summer (this was mid august). Other camps in the area were having the same issues around that time and for a short while afterwards. Of course other kids used that also as an excuse not to visit (Jalen Smith was never coming here regardless).
Also can we talk about the bad timing of recruiting a kid named David Duke at the same time? LMAO
That and also Jared Butlerās dad.
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Again, Iām relatively optimisticā¦. I mean I see how that was an obstacle and negatively affected thingsā¦ with that being said we needed to have that class be better than it was, and we didnāt deliver. but Iām getting kind of tired of the countless excuses as to why itās not our fault we got like 3 ACC level players from HS recruiting over the course of 5 classes.
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Most because we had the 2016 kids who were all good multiyear players who eventually won a natty. Hard to earn playing time.
I understand that and donāt disagree. But that hasnāt stopped Nova. Also we offered like a million PGās in that class with a spot to start and move Jerome off ball and didnāt get any until Kihei. I love Kihei, but it shouldāve been an easier sell.
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Also Kody and Papi were ACC level players. Role players. Never meant to be stars. Donāt let the group think make you think they were D3 players LOL
Kody had heart issues. Papi has had multiple injuries. Baddochi had health issues. They just happen to be foreign so itās a āforeign players such hereā. Taine idk but it was only his first year. And worst comes to worse we need kids in the 8-13 spots on the roster
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I agree with Papi as a role player. He just has been forced to do too much. Im hopeful that changes this year. In regards to Kodyā¦ā¦ I donāt believe he was a real ACC player. But thatās not super important now. Either way, im sure we all hoped for better.
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Yeah I think it can be chalked up to poor execution on the trail plus some bad luck. No doubt.