Elmarko PER = 7.3
Rohde PER = 6.7
Blue Cain PER = 12.1
I think weāve established that you just throw random numbers out Dave. You dont really look at the context, and at the end of the day when we look at stats we just want to see what we want to see. A million different stats we can point to, and even with just one stat a million different interpretations.
The numbers dont do anything to address our emotional biases.
Hereās a stat for you dave.
2019: We didnāt play Jay Huff ānearly enoughā. We won the national title.
2020: We played Jay Huff a lot. The world LITERALLY shut down.
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Random? PER is a great measure of oneās effectiveness on the floor.
Here are the current PER leaders in the NBAā¦
Do tell how this is just a random stat.
Embiid
Jokic
SGA
Giannis
Doncic
Haliburton
AD
KD
Oh and then
Markkanen
Donovan Mitchell
Kawhi
Lebron
Sengun
Kyrie
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I knew jay huff was always the issue
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Jay Huff left UVA and they let fans back in the stands afterwards. Literally the facts
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I havent watched them at all until few minutes last night. He seems fine Will be good player. Getting valuable minutes as a freshman thats for sure at 20 plus
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Weāll see. He had no 3pt shot in HS or AAU. Seems to be a trend (hasnāt hit a 3 in the last 6 games in those extended minutes) and doesnāt really have that natural feel for the game you want in your pg. Donāt think the return will be there/definitely not a fan favorite LOL
Itās good experience for Rohde to as a sophomore transitioning/getting the returns for his upperclassmen years.
https://twitter.com/jasonbean1218/status/1747463105855037910
https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1748815489927680232
PER does tell you who is taking the most shots, which does often correlate with who the best players are. It does have a formula construction problem though, which is that it doesnāt actually capture shooting efficiency well mathematically. As pointed out here:
Hollinger argues that each two point field goal made is worth about 1.65 points. A three point field goal made is worth 2.65 points. A missed field goal, though, costs a team 0.72 points.
Given these values, with a bit of math we can show that a player will break even on his two point field goal attempts if he hits on 30.4% of these shots. On three pointers the break-even point is 21.4%. If a player exceeds these thresholds, and virtually every NBA played does so with respect to two-point shots, the more he shoots the higher his value in PERs. So a player can be an inefficient scorer and simply inflate his value by taking a large number of shots.
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Also Andre Drummond is top 10 in PER and takes 5.6 shots per game.
Mark Wiliams and Jarrett Allen and Sharpe and IIsaiah Jackson are also top 30.
You can Also be excellent at your role and it shows up.
Thatās all the proof I need. Jay Huff single handily attempted to destroy UVA basketball.
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Do you think Andre Drummond is a top 10 player in the NBA?
The specific roles that PER captures well are volume scorer, and then what Iād probably call āhigh box score number generatorā, which are guys who get a lot of rebounds, blocks, steals. These roles have value! But I think they also are not a complete accounting of roles to capture in basketball.
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The man has averaged a rebound every 1.9 minutes this season. Thatās kind of impressive.
Edit - Also, its kinda funny you said āHere are the PER leaders. See how great they all are? PER is a good statā and then you skipped the people who didnāt fit your argument. Doesnāt feel like a good-faith use of numbers when you do that.
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Itās very useful when comparing guys with similar roles ā¦ compare PGs to PGs compare bigs to bigs and wings to wingsā¦
For example RJ Davis is probably the best player in the Acc right now - but there are 9 bigs in the Acc ahead of him
In PER..
But only Reece is slightly ahead of him among guards.
Reece #1 PG
Davis #1 SG
Other guards right after are Mintz, Miller, Roach, and Sallis which seems pretty accurate.
I didnāt skip anyone - I listed the top 8 in order.
Go look up
The whole list if youād like ā¦
And yes each metric has flaws ā¦ for example Jayson Tatum is 23rd and Derrick White is 81st.
I would posit that each is much more valuable than that placement.
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Cāmon man, donāt try that. I obviously read the names and looked up where they all fall before posting. You posted #1-8, then you posted #9, then you posted #11, then you posted #13-16 all in their ranking order.
Basically you posted #1-16 in order, except you skipped #10 and #12. I assume Drummond undermined your argument and then you skipped Sabonis to make it look like you were randomly picking names rather than just intentionally excluding Drummond. And obviously you stopped with Kyrie at #16 rather than including Mark Williams at #17.
Also, you know PER has LaMelo as the #22 player in the league, right? Does that seem right? Or just evidence that with PER, shooting volume hides a multitude of sins?
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I actually skipped Drummond because he didnāt have enough minutes to qualify.
Volume shooting?
24.7 points per game
Heās shooting 37% from three
Over 50% from 2
87% FT and he gets there a lot
8.1 assists, 2 steals, 5.4 rebounds
Yeah I would say thatās pretty good.
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Imagine if we had gotten both Dunphy and Tapara
Gotta milk the oceania connection to get the top shelf stuff
https://twitter.com/AdamFinkelstein/status/1749808490242330748
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We seem to have āissuesā with Oceania, so Iām glad that we transitioned to the Canadians. We will see how the first one pans outā¦Ishan!
We had Shayok from Canada and he was 1st Team All Big 12 ā¦ so far so good.
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