🏀 Ryan Odom Transition

[WFS_HOO]

How about this: we either get guys who don’t care about the degree or admit them and tell them the NIL $ is enough to pay for the second year.

[salty]

Maupin '84-85. It was just a generic dorm back then, although my suite had a lot of ROTC guys.

[GoBlueHoo]

@jasponti

I don’t think the issue is with admissions at all. It’s the university policy of requiring 60 credits at UVA for a UVA degree. Accreditation requires 30 credits but some colleges (UVA, Michigan) are more restrictive.

That policy makes it so a student transferring for their senior/fourth year at UVA needs at least two years to earn their degree regardless of how many credits they’ve earned elsewhere.

Such a student can still get a degree. They can transfer their UVa credits back to their previous university and graduate with a degree from that school. Should MacKneely transfer elsewhere, for example, he should be able to transfer most of his credits at his next institution back to UVa and receive a UVa degree. As has been noted, there may be some issues with transferring courses in a student’s major, but working closely with the department’s Director of Undergraduate Programs should minimize that issue.

If there are athletes who have played at 3 or 4 universities I have little sympathy for them as it indicates that basketball is their priority–by far— rather than graduating with a degree. It’s a decision they have made, not UVa.

I don’t think you will find many faculty or administrators in favor of granting a degree when a student has been at UVa for only one year. It makes a UVa degree rather meaningless, something that we hand out without a student making any significant commitment to being a student at the university.

I realize the new NIL and transfer rules are not compatible with how most all universities, not just UVa, handle degrees. But I don’t think it’s the universities that should change their academic rules. The NCAA has some decisions they could make (e.g., make it possible to transfer once without sitting out a year but requires someone who transfers a second time to sit out year) and college athletes will have to think more about how much they value a college degree vs. earning NIL money. If NIL money is their priority, why bend over backgrounds to offer them a degree that is secondary to their decision making?

[Cosmo]

Maupin '83-'84. I understand that the new dorms have merged Maupin and Lile into a single building and I’m disgusted by that. It’s like having UVa and Duke playing in the same home arena.

[Fitz-Hoo]

That would make Louisville our NCCU?

[AdventiveQuasar]

@GoBlueHoo

I realize the new NIL and transfer rules are not compatible with how most all universities, not just UVa, handle degrees. But I don’t think it’s the universities that should change their academic rules.

I am generally very permissive around NIL/player compensation, etc, and I 100% agree with this. (I have quibbles with transfer restrictions that don’t follow from academics, but not really important here.)

[WFS_HOO]

@GoBlueHoo

It makes a UVa degree rather meaningless

I don’t have super strong feelings about this issue, and I certainly understand that point of view, but one could reasonably argue that having terrible sports teams is more dilutive to the uva brand and value of the degree longer term than granting a few “unearned” degrees a year to major sports players, especially if they’re overall decent folks who have the academic credentials to earn a real degree. It’s not like Goldman Sachs is going to hire one of these guys/gals, find out they suck, and stop hiring uva grads.

[bhc3]

Duke’s basketball success has done wonders for elevating that school’s profile the past few decades. Nice having Dick Vitale touting the “future doctors and lawyers of America, baby!” every broadcast.

[lodger96]

And also the most uncreative.

But they did come up with “Have You Driven a Ford Lately?” for Jeff McInnis, so I’ll give them that.

[Weirdowlhoo]

But that would explain only one class of transfers: current juniors heading to their senior year next year.

[HoozGotNext]

I could see players transferring after 3 years at one school, for athletic reasons (coaching change, to level up etc), then spending that final year of eligibility at the new school sorta piddling academically to avoid finishing their degree…so they can transfer back to the first more prestigious institution to finish. Would that work at UVA? Or is the rule that students need to do their LAST 60 hours at UVA?

[jasponti]

I looked for that in the UVA Registrar guidelines and it does not stipulate that the last 60 credits have to be at UVA. However, I did find two other things for UVA that make it even more difficult for transfers.

1. You cannot transfer in general ed requirements. They have to be taken at UVA.
2. You can only transfer in up to eight credit hours per semester from another school.

These two added to the rule saying a student can’t transfer in more than 60 credits from another university create a significant hurdle to transfer students. Most other public universities don’t have these level of restrictions for transfers.

If I’m reading these rules correctly, Imac might be able transfer to another college and then transfer back and get his degree at UVA.

[GoBlueHoo]

@HoozGotNext

could see players transferring after 3 years at one school, for athletic reasons (coaching change, to level up etc), then spending that final year of eligibility at the new school sorta piddling academically to avoid finishing their degree…so they can transfer back to the first more prestigious institution to finish. Would that work at UVA? Or is the rule that students need to do their LAST 60 hours at UVA?

That would definitely work. You don’t even have to worry about how many credits you earn at the other institution. If you don’t want to transfer them back to UVa, you don’t have to. And you can transfer them, have 120 credit hours and still have two more semesters at UVa.

The College allows you 8 full-time semesters. Some students have completed all their requirements after 3 years but still want to have a fourth year at UVa. They can do that; it’s their choice (and their parents if the parents are paying the bills). They just don’t apply for their degree at the end of their 3rd year.

P.S. - Summer sessions don’t count toward the 8 full-time semesters.

[GoBlueHoo]

There are other options, too. Say McKneely goes to Louisville. He could register for the minimum number of credit house there which is probably 12. And before he leaves he could arrange an independent study with a UVa professor and register for that course at UVa (although he’d have to pay for that one since his scholarship would be at Louisville). There are also some UVa courses that still have the option of “attending” via Zoom, so that’s another possibility.

[GoBlueHoo]

@jasponti

• You cannot transfer in general ed requirements. They have to be taken at UVA.
• You can only transfer in up to eight credit hours per semester from another school.

I’ve never heard of these requirements. I’ve worked with a lot of students who transferred to UVa, as recently as 2019 when I retired. They fulfilled some (often a lot) of their general ed requirements at their previous institution and they also were allowed more than 8 credits per semester. I never worked with a student who faced limitations like that and I taught at UVa for 41 years.

Some departments are very picky about particular courses (e.g., a senior seminar) having to be taken at UVa, but that’s about the only type of hurdle students I worked with ran into.

[UVaHoopsRiffs]

big difference between ‘Change Rules’ and introducing flexibility … there’s no need for us to be handicapped compared to other elite universities or even prominent state schools… the world won’t end. exceptions SHOULD be made for athletics, always have – scholarships broke that seal a century ago, we shouldnt kid ourselves.

[jasponti]

It did seem extreme and I should have shared my source in the prior post.

Transfer Credit Policies and FAQs

Here’s one direct quote:

"You can transfer credits for elective credit and, with prior departmental approval, for major or minor credit. Only credit is transferred. Grades do not transfer.

You cannot transfer credits to satisfy College general education requirements. After matriculation to UVA, you must fulfill your general education requirements at UVA. The only exceptions are courses used to fulfill the World Language Requirement, taken abroad in a native-language country, with the language department’s prior approval."

I know a lot about transfer policies for many midwestern colleges, but I defer to your expertise at UVA.

[tonyburnertt]

I was in the first year of merged Lile-Maupin! Great dorm, walk out the door right into OHill.

[GoBlueHoo]

@jasponti

"You can transfer credits for elective credit and, with prior departmental approval, for major or minor credit. Only credit is transferred. Grades do not transfer.

You cannot transfer credits to satisfy College general education requirements. After matriculation to UVA, you must fulfill your general education requirements at UVA. The only exceptions are courses used to fulfill the World Language Requirement, taken abroad in a native-language country, with the language department’s prior approval."

I know a lot about transfer policies for many midwestern colleges, but I defer to your expertise at UVA

Those rules apply after you’ve already been at UVa and want to take courses at another university during the summer. That’s why it says: “after matriculation to UVa, you must fulfill your general education requirements at UVA.” In almost every case I’m familiar with, the student wants to take summer courses at a college in their hometown. Or maybe because of family issues, they want to take fall courses in their hometown and transfer the credits to UVa.They can do that, but with those limitations (and I don’t think the 8 credit hour limit applies in the fall as opposed to the summer). And those limitations are in reality fairly flexible. Most students don’t receive permission from the relevant department before taking the courses. They come back to UVa, ask for permission and are almost always given permission.

The rules do not apply to students who begin their education elsewhere (they play two years at UNC, for example) and then transfer to UVa to be a full-time student-athlete and complete their degree.

[jasponti]

Thanks for the clarification. I obviously misread that section.