Anything for you my friend
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You made this exact connection. In your original post you said: “Why would Carson sit around at UVA. When he can go tu Wake Forrest and start IMMEDIATELY. There are way more reasons for Casey tu leave than stay. The first one being, playing immediately. I shared all this last yr when PEOPLE UP HERE shot it down. You will have guys talking midseason about transferring. You can tell Jabri, leave UVA, go tu UNC , start and win a chip IMMEDIATELY. Why deal with TB not playing you because of defense.”
Then you followed up in a reply to me: “If you took a job because you love it. But find out its not the right environment or you dont like your boss.” And another poster riffing off the exchange said: “If I don’t get along with my supervisor/coworkers, get offered a higher paying gig / better hours, or find out what was shared in the interview was a sham and the place sucks, then I can move on without issue.”
Players have left the UVA program over the years for a variety of reasons, but I have never seen anyone say or even intimate that it was because of a bad environment or they don’t like Tony Bennett. Bennett’s program is well defined in its pillars and its playing style, particularly its commitment to defense. It’s also known for developing players over time. Despite the beliefs of some, there is ample evidence that Bennett will play a guy as a freshman when he is ready to compete and contribute. None of these things are secret or a revelation to anyone. Players know what they are signing up for. For Jabri or Carson to follow your advice after one year in the program would just be quitting IMO. Casey might be a little more understandable, but it wasn’t because Bennett didn’t give him a chance. It also wasn’t because he didn’t like defense - the guy came in with a reputation and appetite for defense.
Those are the three guys you specifically listed. They are in the first or second year of the program. Here is a list of guys that garnered All-ACC accolades LATER THAN their first or second year: Mike Scott, Joe Harris, Akil Mitchell, Malcolm Brogdon, Justin Anderson, Anthony Gill, London Perrantes, and DeAndre Hunter. Kyle Guy and Ty Jerome are the only ones who got on an All-ACC team in their first or second year in the program (as well as in their third years).
The conventional wisdom you describe may fit just fine for many programs around the country. But this program is different from nearly all others, and everyone knows that going in. If Landesburg doesn’t want to go to class, if Baron wants to go play for his dad, if Badocchi wants to focus on piano, if Nichols is into theater and other things.. all that is fine, different interests for different folks and I wish them well. There is a pretty good list of guys who departed who gave it 2-3 years and saw better players coming up behind them. Also fine, they gave it a ride and leave with thanks to the UVA coaches for the opportunity and love from the UVA community. I expect Carson and Jabri to be here and continue working and will be disappointed if they don’t. I also hope that Casey sticks around and improves to be the next Devon Hall. I hope each of them works their way onto the All-ACC teams like many of their predecessors who stuck it out.
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On what planet does adding jabri to the unc roster win a championship immediately? Unc can’t beat uva and jabri can’t get on the floor at uva.
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I don’t think he’s saying that, but that’s what people in back channels whisper so to speak
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I agree, I don’t think Tu is insinuating anything about CTB but describing things in general and especially how those from the grass-roots community may see them and or think! God Bless us all and we are all Hoos, just with different views.
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Louisville thinks they are going to get Jay Heath. Then again they think they’ll get anyone they want.
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I think it is a pretty good representation of the type of advice guys get. I feel sorry for the players. I am sympathetic to the view players get lied to and used by coaches and schools and the frustration of not profiting from image and likeness. That said…
Let’s not pretend players are not being lied to and used by the AAU sphere and friends and family. Some of the AAU wisdom is frankly ridiculous. I don’t think JAR is a fool. If someone truly told him it would be a good idea to leave the reigning national champions that churns out NBA wings in favor of a program that has lost to his current program seven times in a row that notably plays two traditional bigs and eschews wing play, I don’t even know what to say. And win a championship immediately? Ridiculous.
That said, Carson to Wake isn’t crazy. Carter and Carson could light it up. I don’t have a problem with guys doing what is best for them. It is just the ridiculous nonsense advice so many of them get. UVA isn’t for everyone. One and dones rightfully should concentrate on personal brand and the G league or Duke or Kentucky. That’s ok.
But for a guy like JAR that needs some development? Come on. Tony churns 4 star wings out into the NBA. If JAR is patient and works hard, he is going to have a Rodney Hood style career. Hood has made millions of dollars. But the AAU types don’t want to hear that. That you will have to work for three or four years and be Rodney Hood. They tell a kid he is a one and done, should go to a name brand, and be an instant NBA star. JAR’s dad runs the G league. He knew better and so did JAR. I hope he sticks with it at UVA. If he does, he will make millions of dollars. Bounce around, who knows.
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Let’s just see how it plays out. Most of our recent transfers seemed to make sense. Stith to play for his Dad. Shayok had learned as much as he could from TB and wanted to play in a one and done system his last year and it worked out for him. Thompson was going to be Ty’s backup his senior year and Western Kentucky gave him a chance to start. Reuter could play at the ACC level. We don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Carson knew he wasn’t going to play much his first year and next years team is going to need guards that can shoot. We don’t know what is going on in Jabri’s mind. A lot of these guys think about transferring early in their career. Hunter did. Listened to Chris Long recently when he said he did also.
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Aspects of the culture are ridiculous, and have spilled over into the college ranks. But I also think
fans have a misguided impression of their influence. It’s a convenient boogey man. If Jabri leaves it has nothing do with any AAU coach. Ditto for the majority of college players. Now that culture they’ve been a part of coming thru the ranks, yeah that plays a part. College recruiting isn’t so different than AAU recruiting for a lot of teams now. It’s what they have to do get players, speak their language.
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Yeah, I have no doubt that chatter goes on constantly. I’m just suggesting that the messaging from the UVA coaches during recruiting and the filtering process that has us focusing on kids who embrace the unique nature of our program causes us to be mostly immune to the chatter that affects countless other programs. And that’s not to say we don’t have transfers - it’s just that all the ones I can think of make sense in the end. I can’t think of anyone who had great prospects here but left early on for other playing opportunities. They were all either a unique personal situation or an upperclassman who saw a better player behind him that would likely take up playing time.
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We will lose a bunch of guys and they will probably all make sense too.
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Yeah ultimately all of our transfers out of the program have worked out/we’ve never lost a heavy contributed to transfer although my heart hurts.
@HoozGotNext any interest in any of the Louisville decommits from today?
There are going to be so many permutations to how this all plays out. Some decisions will be obvious and made early. Others will be knock on effects of other decisions made. Expect the unexpected.
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Who from Louisville decommitted today?
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Seems like a lot of smoke for Louisville getting hammered
I don’t think so. UVA looked at both but seem to be spots tagged for '22 now. Good example of why we recruit how we do. They fired two assistants and it cost them a pair of recruits, presumably Dino Gaudio’s guys. We really only have Bennett guys in the end.
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Let’s hire Gaudio! He can recruit and had a bit of a raw deal at Wake Forest.
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Bobby Pettiford, 2nd in 2 days
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Norvahoo, I will admit, I stop reading your post. I was giving examples and not actual events. If I say a kid can jump out of space. It doesn’t mean he can touch the moon. I have no clue if Carson will transfer, go tu Wake or start if he do. Are you really trying tu make a point out of hypotheticals. I really past my amount of post now.
Pls tell me im being Punked. Why did I come back here? WHHYYY!!!
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